when to flush?

[reggaerican]

I hear a lot of people saying that flushing is a myth, I think it depends on the entire scenario including the nutes you use. My buddy doesn't flush and his smoke is okay (he runs organics)......In my situation, I'm using Botanicare's CNS17 nutes, and when I don't flush, my smoke is harsh and it sparkles when hit with the lighter.

well everything is personal preference.. i been working with the same strain for years and i have tried it all flushing for weeks, no flush and this quality cure final flush product.. and here is what i found:

1) FLUSHED buds would burn more evenly and taste better.. but on the bad side because i took away all boosters i would loose about about 10-15% in size and potency..(depending on how long i would flush 1-2 weeks)

2) BOOST TILL END buds like i said were on average "10-15%" larger some even bigger.. the purple leaves and buds got way darker and denser.. but just didnt burn quite as well amd had a slight harsh after taste..

3) supernatural quality cure is a product that reverses the transpiration process sucking unused water, nutes and salts from buds.. the result is i quicker drying plant, all the advantages of feeding to the end, and a overall sweeter taste than the h2o flushed plants..

 

[Uncle Ben]

well everything is personal preference..

aka anecdotal evidence

 

[Bksuperstar]

Uncle Ben, you are the Dr. Dean Edell of rollitup.org. Nice.

 

[reggaerican]

well on my part it is factual (i know what i know.) but to each there own..

 

[plaguedog]

Here is an easy to understand link on organically amended soils and why flushing doesn't do a damn thing.

http://www.soilminerals.com/Cation_E...Simplified.htm

Specifically:
1) Clay and organic matter have negative charges that can hold and release positively charged nutrients. (The cations are adsorbed onto the surface of the clay or humus.) That static charge keeps the nutrients from being washed away, and holds them so they are available to plant roots and soil microorganisms.


All you adding EWC or compost to peat or coco based mediums are wasting your time and water with flushing.

 

[plaguedog]

Again, "flushing" is just another cannabis myth, now a paradigm. It's one of those "if the lie is repeated enough, it becomes the truth", and most cannabis forum members will about fall for any gimmick that someone comes up with.....it's just what they do.

Just because something is popular does not mean it carries any merit, especially when it comes to cannabis grow forums.

Mexican pot growers don't flush, Kentucky or Virginian tobacco growers don't flush, etc.

Your challenge people is to find out what the active ingredient is in one of the snake oils, say.....Clearex, and explain the cause and effect that it has on the plant which supposedly improves one's palate and lung experience. Sorry, but anecdotal evidence, another "feel-good" explanation doesn't cut it.

Thanks,
UB

It's sugar and water. Thats it. and people pay out they're asses for it. Cracks me up. 96% water. lol

 

[SheepsBlood]

It may be 2014 and this is a 2010 post but I have to add my agreement in this discussion. Flushing is a bunch of garbage. Flushing or stopping nutrients will not enhance anything or remove impurities. The plant stores these nutrients within it's cells. Therefore unless you just don't feed them anything, it will always have nutrients (metals, nitrogen, phos, potash) in the structure.

Just like human cells, we eat, the cells intake what is needed, the body stores them and we are filled with these elements.
If you believe in detoxification then believe in starving the plant of it's needs. Just my thoughts.

Flushing is a mistaken term IMO. Flushing is to clear out salt build up, or to clean out a hydro tank in order to replenish it with fresh nutrients. The need for fresh nutrients is due to the fact that the plant uptakes certain amount of each element. Therefore one may be taken up more than another. In order to prevent a starvation of one element, we replace with a new tank of nutrients.
As for soil, when you flush, your washing away the nutrients from the medium. Again, you need to replace those, thats why we add a light mixture to soil after flushing.

This is my opinion, so it's open for discussion but not angry criticism.

 

[Slab]

Flush = broscience.

 

[xxMissxx]

i have to disagree to the myth about flushing i can totally tell the difference when i dont flush..

Absolutely!
I can taste the FLUSH!
It makes all the difference!
And I think plants should be flushed for two weeks when growing outside in the earth and allow the natural process of SENESCENCE to take place... As the plant is flushed and senescence takes place it enhances the final taste because it 'a natural process' which the plant is meant to go through....
I definitely can taste the difference between FLUSHED and UNFLUSHED but I might be particularly sensitive to tastes! flavours! etc...
FLUSHED means Smooth to me!
Smooth and Silkyyyyyy YUM!

 

[harris hawk]

Flushing is VERY important - if grow is organic flush fro at least 2 weeks - if grow in non-organic (advanced nutrients,ect) flush for 4 weeks, this is the Standard, but many people don't flush that long - 2 week min - need a good flush to help bring out that strains taste. you need to "clean" your plant's veins !!!!! you have to "detox" it

 

[akhiymjames]

Flush the plant for 4 weeks. Man you really trying to kill your plants. I've done the flush and not flush and there is no difference. If there's a difference it's all in the cure or how long you've dried the buds. A word of advice is try harvesting in the dark as when lights are on the plant is using energy to feed.

 

[SheepsBlood]

Absolutely!
I can taste the FLUSH!
It makes all the difference!
And I think plants should be flushed for two weeks when growing outside in the earth and allow the natural process of SENESCENCE to take place... As the plant is flushed and senescence takes place it enhances the final taste because it 'a natural process' which the plant is meant to go through....
I definitely can taste the difference between FLUSHED and UNFLUSHED but I might be particularly sensitive to tastes! flavours! etc...
FLUSHED means Smooth to me!
Smooth and Silkyyyyyy YUM!

I would agree with some on flushing. I am saying I agree because some people are more sensitive to certain elements than others. Each of us are different in how many receptors are in our olfactory system. Science can't factually say that we all carry the same amount of receptors.
So you may be able to sense more than others. While the rest of us sense less.
Though, my statement as to not needing to flush is general. I do believe refreshing your water in Hydro and clearing out salts in soil is essential to plant health and uptake of nutrients.

As to all nutrients moving out of the plant after a flush, there is no debate there. Science has factual proof that not all molecules are mobile, therefore not everything will leave the plant. Some examples of which ones do not leave are, calcium, Silicon, Iron, Manganese, Copper, Molybdenum, and Nickel.
The bad tastes probably are coming from the mobiles... Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Magnesium, Sodium, Chlorine, and Sulfur.
See, those do sound nasty tasting and some of them are the highest amounts used in our feedings.

Not all of the mobiles will be removed, and much of it has to do with a proper cure due to the fact that the plant has to use up the last bits of nutrients attempting to continue to finish it's life cycle.


Some of this is opinion and some is factual. Sharing ideas is how we advance this science. Let me know what you think.

 

[xxMissxx]

I would agree with some on flushing. I am saying I agree because some people are more sensitive to certain elements than others. Each of us are different in how many receptors are in our olfactory system. Science can't factually say that we all carry the same amount of receptors.
So you may be able to sense more than others. While the rest of us sense less.
Though, my statement as to not needing to flush is general. I do believe refreshing your water in Hydro and clearing out salts in soil is essential to plant health and uptake of nutrients.

As to all nutrients moving out of the plant after a flush, there is no debate there. Science has factual proof that not all molecules are mobile, therefore not everything will leave the plant. Some examples of which ones do not leave are, calcium, Silicon, Iron, Manganese, Copper, Molybdenum, and Nickel.
The bad tastes probably are coming from the mobiles... Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium, Magnesium, Sodium, Chlorine, and Sulfur.
See, those do sound nasty tasting and some of them are the highest amounts used in our feedings.

Not all of the mobiles will be removed, and much of it has to do with a proper cure due to the fact that the plant has to use up the last bits of nutrients attempting to continue to finish it's life cycle.


Some of this is opinion and some is factual. Sharing ideas is how we advance this science. Let me know what you think.

I think this is very well said!
Everyone is different! Like they say there are as many Worlds as there are perceivers! Because everything is opinion and perception rather than fact and truth.... That is why there are Flushers and NonFlushers ... Exfoliators and NonFoliators... DryTrimmers and WetTrimmers... Hydro is Besters and Soil is Besters ... There are many roads that lead to Rome! So we'll all meet up in Rome in the end!

 

[Uncle Ben]

Recommend installing an Acme spigot with Viton seals at the base of your plants before flushing. Works great!

 

[Wilksey]

Flush = broscience.

It just doesn't make sense to me man...

I can see flushing the medium to get rid of excess salts, but STARVING your plant to the point where it cannibalizes itself doesn't make a lick of sense to me.

Plants need leaves to collect energy from light, and the more leaves available, the more energy available.

Plants need energy in order to convert nutrients into usable plant parts and chemicals.

Plants need nutrients to build plant parts and chemicals.

By starving your plant, you're reducing / killing the energy collectors (leaves), reducing the amount of energy available to convert nutrients into THC, and eliminating the nutrients needed to CREATE that THC.

Why?

That seems fooking stupid.

Keeping your plant healthy up until harvest means that the plant has THE best opportunity to produce and mature THC laden trichomes, which makes way more sense to me.

 

[xxMissxx]

Flush the plant for 4 weeks. Man you really trying to kill your plants. I've done the flush and not flush and there is no difference. If there's a difference it's all in the cure or how long you've dried the buds. A word of advice is try harvesting in the dark as when lights are on the plant is using energy to feed.

Interestinggggg .... Harvesting in the Dark???? Who else is harvesting in the dark? Any more OPINIONS on this? xxmissxx

 

[akhiymjames]

Interestinggggg .... Harvesting in the Dark???? Who else is harvesting in the dark? Any more OPINIONS on this? xxmissxx

Here's a link that talks about harvesting in the dark. Not having an extended dark period before harvest. It's from High Times. I know everything in there is not completely correct but there is good info and I feel this is good info.

http://www.hightimes.com/read/key-points-harvest-time

 

[xxMissxx]

Here's a link that talks about harvesting in the dark. Not having an extended dark period before harvest. It's from High Times. I know everything in there is not completely correct but there is good info and I feel this is good info.

http://www.hightimes.com/read/key-points-harvest-time

Hehehehe was just reading exactly that!!!
Makes sense! I will defo CHOP AT DAWN! and see how it tastes compared to last season when I just chopped randomly!

 

[akhiymjames]

Hehehehe was just reading exactly that!!!
Makes sense! I will defo CHOP AT DAWN! and see how it tastes compared to last season when I just chopped randomly!

Good idea let me know what differences or if any at all you experience.

 

[harris hawk]

Hehehehe was just reading exactly that!!!
Makes sense! I will defo CHOP AT DAWN! and see how it tastes compared to last season when I just chopped randomly!

They say best time to feed nutrients and harvest your product is after the light come on in morning, when the thc is best