reasonevangelist
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And? Your point?
I mean, i could just call you a stupid fuck, but i chose to allow you the chance to understand my plight.
Any truth to that "two dead families" thing Buck keeps referencing?
Surprise! Leftist Minimum Wage Policy Backfires in Seattle Suburb
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I mean, i could just call you a stupid fuck, but i chose to allow you the chance to understand my plight.
Any truth to that "two dead families" thing Buck keeps referencing?
UncleBuck
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i think you're a whiny emo fuck, but i will address this.
yes, red has two dead families to his credit.
his first family perished in a "car accident".
the second family perished in a house fire while red was at work. apparently his dumb fuck wife passed out with a lit cigarette going and it incinerated his two small children, one of which was an infant.
he claims smoke alarms did not exist in 1982 when it happened.
i call it criminally negligent homicide at best, and something far more sinister at worst. think insurance money.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/men-if-you-work-a-40-hour-work-week.758148/page-21#post-9911048
^^^some reading material for ya.
reasonevangelist
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Do you guys ever get tired of all the perpetual hostility?
You think i'm emo, you haven't seen emo. I don't cut myself and i don't listen to cry music (okay maybe deftones is a little emo sometimes...). I don't even bother to listen to music anymore. I find silence and the hum and whir of my fans much more comforting.
Why don't all those starving children just choose better lives?
You think i'm emo, you haven't seen emo. I don't cut myself and i don't listen to cry music (okay maybe deftones is a little emo sometimes...). I don't even bother to listen to music anymore. I find silence and the hum and whir of my fans much more comforting.
Why don't all those starving children just choose better lives?
Of all the people on this entire site, and every other site on the internet, there is not one poster I have less respect for than you. After seeing a post like this, it substantiates my opinion. You have some serious, serious issues and you deserve every bad thing in your life.
Aeroknow
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How dare you call one of my favorite bands "emo"!
I've been a fan for as long as they've been out. Seeing them live many many times, and listening to them, never makes me wanna cry! Lol
***edit: ok, ok, a couple songs MIGHT make you wanna cry, if your hammered, and not feeling so good about things(girlfriend).
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earnest_voice
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And you wonder why you don't have any friends you sub-human piece if shit.
You're a classic narcissist with some really fucked up issues, no wonder you take such joy when talking about rape.
Can you list some examples of these decisions?
For example, what sorts of decisions are broadly confronted by those trying to move from the lowest quintile to the 4th quintile?
And what examples of decisions are made by those moving from the 3rd to the 2nd? Are they the same as the prior? Looking closer, your statement is rather subjective. Are you talking about economic decisions exclusively? Or are you including urination and sleeping as parts of these decisions?
And is it right-skewed? GINI coefficient implies it is.
Median and Mean are different. You do recognize that fact, correct? Or do you honestly believe increasing the lower income won't shift the median? How does that work?
Would you be surprised to find other Nations with bimodal distributions?
Way too simple, actually. An infusion of cash, by definition, would reduce income inequality. Or do you use some other numeraire to measure income besides "national currency"?
Here's a really dumb example to explain it:
A has income of $10, B has income of $100,
relative income ratio A/B = 10%
Give each an 'injection' of $20.
$30/$120 = 25%
Great Googly Moogly! They each got serviced for $20 a pop, and look at that income inequality drop!
But of course, in the long run, that money will siphon its way up the cone, creating a larger inequality in the end, ceteris paribus.
Hence, taxes and subsidy thresholds.
That was the whole idea behind the Negative Income Tax. To create that buffer which encourages employment-seeking behaviour, while preventing the inevitable negative conditions resulting from frictional or structural unemployment. It is a far more ideal automatic stabilizer over the schemes we currently employ.
And if the future is as corrosive as what I am seeing, there is going to be some need for that type of scheme if the goal is to sustain this socio-economic process we currently exist in. Strangely, it would probably be cheaper to do that instead of propping up a welfare bureaucracy susceptible to fraud in the first place.
Imagine... a NAIRU of 25%
Technocrat Utopia or Neo-Liberal nightmare?
That or redefine full-time as 20-30 hrs/week to spread the work.
Or invent a lot of classy jobs like "Official assistant pylon observer".
Meanwhile, in France...
Re self-direction examples: of course they’re subjective, empirical and observational. Are you of the opinion that self-direction isn’t possible? I’m talking about an inclusive mind set for success. If one can’t visualize the journey, how would one know how to start; or what metric to use for progress? How would one go about establishing an objective and/or goals? You don’t believe all the people in the top 5-1% income brackets got there with just pure luck, no thought and without effort, do you? I’m not talking about the “definition” of success, but rather the ability to formulate a plan with measurable metrics to become successful. Btw, I assume it goes without saying that not everyone’s concept of success is financial, but it just happens that this is the topic of this discussion.
Re distribution plot: of course it’s skewed. What do you expect would happen if you were to use the mean value? More or less skewing? The data isn’t symmetrical.
Re fix:
You’re looking way too short term. Assume a doubling of income for all min wage earners … assume everybody gets a bump, nobody left out, and all employers comply. What’s the effective time constant of the discharge rate for that infusion? At discharge, then what, another infusion? See the problem? How are you viewing this; as some kind of charge pump system? IMO, the infusion by itself is a waste of time and money; assuming the intent is a long term solution. But that’s the rub, right? Nobody wants to deal with this issue in the manner it would take to provide a solution; least of all the politicians. It’s too damn much work and expensive. Hence the “feel good” proposals . . . keep the dummies happy and their eyes off the ball.
If I read you correctly, our concerns re income disparity are exactly the same. But as I said to Buck, I don’t share his solution as a long term fix. We’re talking about decades of erosion and distortion; this shit didn’t happen overnight. I’d have to look at more data to figure out what the rate of departure is; but really does it matter? It’s a non-linear function. This isn’t going to be fixed with an instantaneous blast of income to the population of people on the very lowest rung of the income ladder. It’s going to take some kind of massive redo of the cognitive nature to more than just those on the bottom; what did the “magic man” call it, “hope and change” ---- ahaha!
Moving the chairs around on the titanic ain't the solution.
Question to you is, would you like to see a long term fix or a diversion? The naked pylon observer won’t cut it. I haven’t searched, but I’d bet; neither you or Buck have found a single creditable economist who believes a bump in the minimum wage is the long term solution to the income/wealth disparity issue.
Btw, just a comment about the stuff you’re writing in the mech thread; I don’t know from what you’ve developed your point of reference; but as somebody who is employed as a technical member on a product research and development team, I would suggest you get another perspective. In positions that require innovation, critical thought and highly skilled technical ability; AI systems won't be replacing humans in your and my life times. However, humans are being replaced in the mundane, repetitive, and less skilled manufacturing positions. We utilize machines in research and development. We design and build tool sets all the time to save cost and time in product development.
Your pessimism has clouded and limited your view of the future. Have a look at the rate of unemployment for highly skilled technical positions during the recent “great depression”. Specifically look at the engineering positions, chemist, medical doctors, ect.. I haven’t looked in a couple of years, but I suspect the numbers have only gotten better. Compare those rates to those for unskilled labor, manufacturing and none science related jobs.
We can’t find enough qualified experienced people to hire. Despite what you believe, this isn't all doom and gloom provided you’re qualified to do the work. What you and Buck don’t seem to grasp is that the environment for employment is “dynamic” and constantly changing. Therefore the skill sets need to be adaptable.
Humans aren't a static bunch. If you don’t have the skills it’s going to be tough. That’s just life, it applied during the cave man period and it applies today.
Buck what are you asking? I suspect it has something to do with your perception that the economy is a zero sum gain? But that's a guess, I really don't understand the question.
reasonevangelist
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It's not about the disparity issue, it's about the issue of the cost of living increasing faster than those at the bottom can afford to keep paying it (which, if it wasn't clear enough, means they begin a gradual long agonizing death process...).
The real problem? There is no long term solution. What we need is a short term solution, good enough to be implemented now, while those people who either got fucked over by the world, or who simply made mistakes, or who simply weren't smart enough or strong enough or lucky enough to do better, are still alive to benefit from an improvement. Once they die, the solution becomes completely irrelevant. Further, you (or rather, the top whatever percent-ers) could even interpret that as "the precedent," in that those at the bottom become seen as disposable, and so those with the means to create a solution, won't even bother... because why bother? If the have-nots are seen as less human than the haves, why help them? That's the attitude i've seen at the top. The only reason anyone at the top wants to help anyone at the bottom, is votes and tax revenue. They don't actually give a shit about widespread and unnecessary human suffering, often caused by their own methods of profiting and maintaining their own wealth. Those of us who entertain thoughts of actually making the world a better place for everyone, tend to get laughed at, mocked, and "trolled" right out of any discussion on such topics, as if we couldn't possibly know anything "real," due to being inferior... even though we who are in the midst of those very same factors being discussed (and trivialized), are the ones who know the most about it, from first hand experience.
Red1966
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"Those of us who entertain thoughts of actually making the world a better place"???????? You haven't done shit to make the world a better place. All you've done is demand OTHERS to do so. Your life is shit because of your own inactions, demanding others to fix it is just you trying to legitimize theft. Clearly, you aren't one of "he ones who know the most about it, from first hand experience." You are the cause of your own woes.
could we perhaps have the whole article or at least the link?
you're pretty retarded to think someone can't tell that you deleted portions of the post.
jackass
reasonevangelist
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There you go again, assuming things you know nothing about, and being arbitrarily hostile.
IRON-EYES
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IRON-EYES
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@UncleBuck
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
AlecTheGardener
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Red does this when someone disagrees with him and they get his hackles up.
A defense mechanism. He also gets rude without provocation.
jahbrudda
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Just for you.could we perhaps have the whole article or at least the link?
you're pretty retarded to think someone can't tell that you deleted portions of the post.
jackass
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_reverse_pin.htm
I meant people who work 30-40 hours a week and then look at their pile of money and realize it isn't enough to live, should consider working more jobs/more hours.
reasonevangelist
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I figured as much.