Schuylaar's Easter Weekend Sesh - Wal-Mart Workers Costs Taxpayers $2B

schuylaar

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nice that they shift their savings onto the american taxpayer..so you know that roll of toilet paper that's $.02 cheaper?..:lol:

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.

“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.

“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”

Americans for Tax Fairness then took the mid-point of that range ($4,415) and multiplied it by Walmart’s approximately 1.4 million workers to come up with an estimate of the overall taxpayers’ bill for the Bentonville, Ark.-based big box giant’s staffers.

The report provides a state-by-state breakdown of these figures, as well as some context on the other side of the coin: Walmart’s huge share of the nationwide SNAP, or food stamp, market.

“Walmart told analysts last year that the company has captured 18 percent of the SNAP market,” it reads. “Using that figure, we estimate that the company accounted for $13.5 billion out of $76 billion in food stamp sales in 2013.”

Walmart spokesperson Randy Hargrove described this week’s report as “inaccurate and misleading,” referring to its use of extrapolated data.

“More than 99 percent of our associates earn above minimum wage,” he said. “In fact, the average hourly wage for our associates, both full and part-time, is an average of $11.83 per hour.”

He said the company had no internal figures to share on the number of workers receiving public assistance.

“The bottom line is Walmart provides associates with more opportunities for career growth and greater economic security for their families than other companies in America,” he said. “Our full and part-time workers get bonuses for store performance, access to a 401K-retirement plan, education and health benefits.”

Hargrove added that the number of Walmart employees receiving Medicaid is similar to the percentage for other large retailers — and comparable to the national average.

He pointed to a 2005 report by economist Jason Furman, now a White House adviser, describing Walmart’s Medicaid enrollment as “a reflection of [its] enormous size.”

Other large retail chains have been the focus of similar reports in recent months. In October, two studies released to coincide showed that American fast food industry outsourced a combined $7 billion in annual labor costs to taxpayers. McDonald's MCD +0.72% alone accounted for $1.2 billion of that outlay.

Yum Brands came in at a distant number two, with its Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC subsidiaries costing $648 million in benefits programs for workers each year.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/
 

BigNBushy

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Walmart is the leading culprit, in my mind, of what is wrong with America.

They go into a town, kill dozens of middle income jobs, replace them with hundreds of minimum income positions, and begin a funneling of dollars from America, to China where all that cheap useless shit they produce is manufactured.
 

Eye of Horus

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Walmart is the leading culprit, in my mind, of what is wrong with America.

They go into a town, kill dozens of middle income jobs, replace them with hundreds of minimum income positions, and begin a funneling of dollars from America, to China where all that cheap useless shit they produce is manufactured.
Holy shit, you said something that wasn't completely horse shit!
 

schuylaar

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Walmart is the leading culprit, in my mind, of what is wrong with America.

They go into a town, kill dozens of middle income jobs, replace them with hundreds of minimum income positions, and begin a funneling of dollars from America, to China where all that cheap useless shit they produce is manufactured.
we finally agree on something..

:clap:
 

ttystikk

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Wal-Mart is representative of what is wrong with the American System today. It is not fair, it is not democratic, it is not equitable, it is not efficient. The system, that is. Wal-Mart is not 'playing' the system, the system sets the rules of the playing field Wal-Mart and all the rest of corporate America work within. THAT'S what needs to change, though I'll admit I don't know how.

Yet an astounding number of people in this country just want it to fix itself so they can get back to their video game.
 

Eye of Horus

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When Walmart started out I thought it was amazing, because my family consisted of my mother, brother, sister, and me. We were poor as fuck growing up and Walmart was a way to get clothes and snack foods for a cheaper price. Over the years I started seeing the ma and pa shops go out of business and didn't understand why. Then I started learning about the devious tactics used by Walmart to actually get rid of the competition. American flags used to be made in 'murica but now everything is cheap as fuck and made across the seas. For the one good thing they did for me in my life they sure as hell took away a lot of dreams from people who owned their own little shops. When your a monster of a company you can take a loss on certain items for a long time because when the competition goes out of business you jack them right back up and a little more.

Fuck Walmart and fuck the chinese
 

tokeprep

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Walmart is still certainly a net positive for consumers, though, which is why they shopped there so much and transformed it into such a behemoth. The company's impact on market prices probably translates into hundreds of billions of dollars a year in savings throughout the economy, which makes the shoppers better off. Their gain is substantially greater than the misery of the company's workers, valuing both in aggregate.
 

desert dude

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When Walmart started out I thought it was amazing, because my family consisted of my mother, brother, sister, and me. We were poor as fuck growing up and Walmart was a way to get clothes and snack foods for a cheaper price. Over the years I started seeing the ma and pa shops go out of business and didn't understand why. Then I started learning about the devious tactics used by Walmart to actually get rid of the competition. American flags used to be made in 'murica but now everything is cheap as fuck and made across the seas. For the one good thing they did for me in my life they sure as hell took away a lot of dreams from people who owned their own little shops. When your a monster of a company you can take a loss on certain items for a long time because when the competition goes out of business you jack them right back up and a little more.

Fuck Walmart and fuck the chinese
Would your "poor as fuck" family have been better off without Walmart? Would you have shopped at Kmart instead?

Face it, Walmart is successful for a reason. If people didn't shop there it would go out of business, so I guess your enmity is misplaced. Maybe you should be hating on all the "poor as fuck" rednecks/hillbillies/white-trash/peons who support the Waltons in their Arkansan luxuries?

Personally, I only shop on Rodeo drive because I refuse to support Walmart in their efforts to subsidize the peons.
 

NLXSK1

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nice that they shift their savings onto the american taxpayer..so you know that roll of toilet paper that's $.02 cheaper?..:lol:

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.

“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.

“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”

Americans for Tax Fairness then took the mid-point of that range ($4,415) and multiplied it by Walmart’s approximately 1.4 million workers to come up with an estimate of the overall taxpayers’ bill for the Bentonville, Ark.-based big box giant’s staffers.

The report provides a state-by-state breakdown of these figures, as well as some context on the other side of the coin: Walmart’s huge share of the nationwide SNAP, or food stamp, market.

“Walmart told analysts last year that the company has captured 18 percent of the SNAP market,” it reads. “Using that figure, we estimate that the company accounted for $13.5 billion out of $76 billion in food stamp sales in 2013.”

Walmart spokesperson Randy Hargrove described this week’s report as “inaccurate and misleading,” referring to its use of extrapolated data.

“More than 99 percent of our associates earn above minimum wage,” he said. “In fact, the average hourly wage for our associates, both full and part-time, is an average of $11.83 per hour.”

He said the company had no internal figures to share on the number of workers receiving public assistance.

“The bottom line is Walmart provides associates with more opportunities for career growth and greater economic security for their families than other companies in America,” he said. “Our full and part-time workers get bonuses for store performance, access to a 401K-retirement plan, education and health benefits.”

Hargrove added that the number of Walmart employees receiving Medicaid is similar to the percentage for other large retailers — and comparable to the national average.

He pointed to a 2005 report by economist Jason Furman, now a White House adviser, describing Walmart’s Medicaid enrollment as “a reflection of [its] enormous size.”

Other large retail chains have been the focus of similar reports in recent months. In October, two studies released to coincide showed that American fast food industry outsourced a combined $7 billion in annual labor costs to taxpayers. McDonald's MCD +0.72% alone accounted for $1.2 billion of that outlay.

Yum Brands came in at a distant number two, with its Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC subsidiaries costing $648 million in benefits programs for workers each year.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/
Now why dont you go look up how much the military costs taxpayers by having their soldiers and families qualify for welfare, foodstamps, housing subsidies, etc....

Oh wait, that would totally sink the point you are trying to make... NM...
 

Eye of Horus

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Now why dont you go look up how much the military costs taxpayers by having their soldiers and families qualify for welfare, foodstamps, housing subsidies, etc....

Oh wait, that would totally sink the point you are trying to make... NM...
It is a shame, my step father has been having a hell of a time with the VA trying to get medical attention. It doesn't seem right for someone to go to war to protect what we have and come home to shit. We should be taking care of our people we are the richest country in the world. I don't say everyone needs a handout but I think it would be nice to at least get everyone 2 meals a day and get these kids some education. Too many ignants being bread :(
 

Harrekin

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It is a shame, my step father has been having a hell of a time with the VA trying to get medical attention. It doesn't seem right for someone to go to war to protect what we have and come home to shit. We should be taking care of our people we are the richest country in the world. I don't say everyone needs a handout but I think it would be nice to at least get everyone 2 meals a day and get these kids some education. Too many ignants being bread :(
How exactly do they protect what's yours?

The US Military hasn't "defended America" since 1945, you dolt.

If the US was attacked today, over 3/4 of your troops are overseas.

Good luck with your AR15's if armoured vehicles roll in.

So tell me again... Why should people, who of their own free will sign up for the military of a country with an aggressive foreign policy, expect reverence for doing what they chose to do in the first place?
 

tokeprep

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How exactly do they protect what's yours?

The US Military hasn't "defended America" since 1945, you dolt.

If the US was attacked today, over 3/4 of your troops are overseas.

Good luck with your AR15's if armoured vehicles roll in.

So tell me again... Why should people, who of their own free will sign up for the military of a country with an aggressive foreign policy, expect reverence for doing what they chose to do in the first place?
75% of US troops are stationed in the US. 25% are stationed outside.
 

Doer

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nice that they shift their savings onto the american taxpayer..so you know that roll of toilet paper that's $.02 cheaper?..:lol:

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance

Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.

Americans for Tax Fairness, a coalition of 400 national and state-level progressive groups, made this estimate using data from a 2013 study by Democratic Staff of the U.S. Committee on Education and the Workforce.

“The study estimated the cost to Wisconsin’s taxpayers of Walmart’s low wages and benefits, which often force workers to rely on various public assistance programs,” reads the report, available in full here.

“It found that a single Walmart Supercenter cost taxpayers between $904,542 and $1.75 million per year, or between $3,015 and $5,815 on average for each of 300 workers.”

Americans for Tax Fairness then took the mid-point of that range ($4,415) and multiplied it by Walmart’s approximately 1.4 million workers to come up with an estimate of the overall taxpayers’ bill for the Bentonville, Ark.-based big box giant’s staffers.

The report provides a state-by-state breakdown of these figures, as well as some context on the other side of the coin: Walmart’s huge share of the nationwide SNAP, or food stamp, market.

“Walmart told analysts last year that the company has captured 18 percent of the SNAP market,” it reads. “Using that figure, we estimate that the company accounted for $13.5 billion out of $76 billion in food stamp sales in 2013.”

Walmart spokesperson Randy Hargrove described this week’s report as “inaccurate and misleading,” referring to its use of extrapolated data.

“More than 99 percent of our associates earn above minimum wage,” he said. “In fact, the average hourly wage for our associates, both full and part-time, is an average of $11.83 per hour.”

He said the company had no internal figures to share on the number of workers receiving public assistance.

“The bottom line is Walmart provides associates with more opportunities for career growth and greater economic security for their families than other companies in America,” he said. “Our full and part-time workers get bonuses for store performance, access to a 401K-retirement plan, education and health benefits.”

Hargrove added that the number of Walmart employees receiving Medicaid is similar to the percentage for other large retailers — and comparable to the national average.

He pointed to a 2005 report by economist Jason Furman, now a White House adviser, describing Walmart’s Medicaid enrollment as “a reflection of [its] enormous size.”

Other large retail chains have been the focus of similar reports in recent months. In October, two studies released to coincide showed that American fast food industry outsourced a combined $7 billion in annual labor costs to taxpayers. McDonald's MCD +0.72% alone accounted for $1.2 billion of that outlay.

Yum Brands came in at a distant number two, with its Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC subsidiaries costing $648 million in benefits programs for workers each year.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/04/15/report-walmart-workers-cost-taxpayers-6-2-billion-in-public-assistance/
See? Please don't hate me...wooops too late, oh well.

The logic escapes me.

If ACA has a 30 hr restriction on hrs for health care, all under 30 hrs must be in the ACA pool, right?

So, we make the ACA for these under/not insured, yes?

Then you complain that the govt subsidy is higher, now? That we are taking care of the ones you wanted us to take care of and now you don't like it? Did you even think about it?

It seems you want it both ways, and as I understand it, this can occur in only, and in nothing else but, politics.

Politics if followed lock step, at the Party Level has no LOGIC. The News, itself is faulty.

ACA is outsourcing labor cost to govt, surely you see that. This article does. Or do you think ACA will fix this? Or is it that you want WalMart etc to be union shops?

You probably won't answer anyway, so what? Are you to swing back to the middle now?
 
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schuylaar

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Now why dont you go look up how much the military costs taxpayers by having their soldiers and families qualify for welfare, foodstamps, housing subsidies, etc....

Oh wait, that would totally sink the point you are trying to make... NM...
Stand down soldier..our defense budget keeps going up while pell grants, SNAP keep getting cut..soldiers have their benefits including retirement at a much earlier age than I will ever see..35 or maybe 40...Also low cost VA loans and college..I on the other hand have paid into my social security since age 14..and have maxed out benefits according to the statements I receive..I've paid it forward and now will have to wait until I'm somewhere into my 70's before I can benefit (if I see ANY) and will still need something on the side to survive..I'm single and don't believe in relationship just to pay basic bills..and don't tell me ANYTHING about the military because we are a marine family and proud to defend our country..know what my uncle got in Vietnam? A raging heroin addiction which ultimately took his life..thank god he had family who loved him so he didn't end up homeless, under a bridge.

Whoops.
 
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schuylaar

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Walmart is still certainly a net positive for consumers, though, which is why they shopped there so much and transformed it into such a behemoth. The company's impact on market prices probably translates into hundreds of billions of dollars a year in savings throughout the economy, which makes the shoppers better off. Their gain is substantially greater than the misery of the company's workers, valuing both in aggregate.
False, the idea of low wages also keeps those same employees purchasing from YOU..they are your employees AND your consumer..what could be better?

I've posted previously about Art Pope of North Carolina who does EXACTLY what Wal-mart does: http://www.artpopeexposed.com/
 
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