Another interesting pro-lifer conundrum.

canndo

canndo

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burgertime2010 said:
Funny how the sanctity of life does not apply to the death penalty. How many pro-lifers here are anti capital punishment?
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They make the presumption that a government they dispise, one that can't possibly do anything right, one that is fraught with indulgence, and populated with fools, in this case is ALWAYS right and that anyone who is convicted by that same inept government must surely be guilty and deserve to be killed.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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canndo said:
How wonderful.


Shall we play then?

All abortion is murder then. Yep.


What shall we do to the murderer? The Law Decides.

The mother? The Law Decides.

is it the same as what we do to those who contract killers for hire?The Law Decides.

And what about spontaneous abortions and miscarriages? accidental death and natural causes has never been grounds for a murder charge.


shall each of those be investigated as suspected murders? The Law Decides.

and how will we know, for a fact that a woman has conceived? Seeking out and receiving an abortion is pretty clear evidence of conception.

After all, it is at conception that the "person" is to be protected by the full complement of the laws of the state. The Law Decides.

Should we subject each woman who has missed her period to a test? Do you have to periodically present yourself to the authorities to prove you havent been murdered?

just to see if perhaps she is indeed pregnant and that "person" in need of protection until such time as it is born? Do you have to periodically present yourself to the authorities to prove you havent been murdered?

after all, woman are a suspect class, having murdered, in class, many many millions of "people". Do you have to periodically present yourself to the authorities to prove you havent been murdered?

And then, we shall force each and every pregnant woman to bring that child to term, being watched over, as it is so easy to induce abortions but the tiny bodies are so easy to dispose of. Do you have to periodically present yourself to the authorities to prove you havent been murdered?

And after all, as we agree, they are entitled to all the protection the law provides. Do you have to periodically present yourself to the authorities to prove you havent been murdered?

And if there is indeed a clash between the ultimate fate of the mother vs that of the child? As in all things, when the need is great, you can kill in self defense. Inb4 "maybe the bitch was just standing her ground..."

who shall adjudicate such a decsion? The Law Decides.

Will the fetus be entitled to legal representation? Google Guardian Ad Litem

And are you willing to bear the cost of each and every child now being aborted being brought to term should the mother be unwilling or incapable of rearing and paying for that child? i already do.

Or is that "person" left to it's own devices the moment it is born? arent we all?
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all your arguments are old, played out hackneyed reductio ad retardums.


you got a million "what ifs" but "What If", in your fervor to defend the liberal sacrament of abortion, other people's rights are trampled?

"What If" the child to be aborted is the next Albert Einstein or Isaac Newton?
"What If" the father wants the child and the mother does not?
"What If" the abortion clinics are nightmarish slaughterhouses which kill almost as many women as they do infants? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/us/kermit-gosnell-abortion-doctor-gets-life-term.html
"what If" adoption were an option?
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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burgertime2010 said:
A zygote is not a kid. Termination of a cell cluster is not murder. Pro-Life=Anti-Woman
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a zygote is not a cluster of cells. it is a distinct creature, which deserves the opportunity to grow, get born, and live.

your slogans demonstrate that you have a weak mind.
 
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spandy

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burgertime2010 said:
The state gives a lethal injection, that can and does take life. It makes no moral sense to excuse killing as a penalty only.
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You asked how many pro lifers are anti capital punishment, and I raised my hand by way of my comment.

Unless I'm just misreading your last comment.
 
Dr Kynes

Dr Kynes

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burgertime2010 said:
The state gives a lethal injection, that can and does take life. It makes no moral sense to excuse killing as a penalty only.
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derp derp derp.



Poor Richard Alan Davis, unjustly convicted and murdered by the state for exercising his right to perform 39th Trimester Abortions.

Just a cluster of cells.

no harm, no foul.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
a zygote is not a cluster of cells. it is a distinct creature, which deserves the opportunity to grow, get born, and live.

your slogans demonstrate that you have a weak mind.
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well, we already knew about all of your other unsavory views regarding minorities.

but the thread about gays and now this religious pro life stance of yours is just gravy.

inside every bircher lies an oppressive zealot.
 
burgertime2010

burgertime2010

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Dr Kynes said:
a zygote is not a cluster of cells. it is a distinct creature, which deserves the opportunity to grow, get born, and live.

your slogans demonstrate that you have a weak mind.
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Funny, George Carlin said a similar slogan and his intellect was far superior to yours. Your argument is another cheap shot
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
derp derp derp.



Poor Richard Alan Davis, unjustly convicted and murdered by the state for exercising his right to perform 39th Trimester Abortions.

Just a cluster of cells.

no harm, no foul.
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It is not a huge stretch from aborting the unwanted unborn to ending the lives of the unwanted living. It is simply getting people with this sort of mindset to rationalize the acceptance of a narrower spectrum of what constitutes life.

Will we define life by God’s standards or pagan standards? Mandatory, government healthcare sets the stage for pagan practices.
Art Thompson is CEO of The John Birch Society.
 
canndo

canndo

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Dr Kynes said:
all your arguments are old, played out hackneyed reductio ad retardums.


you got a million "what ifs" but "What If", in your fervor to defend the liberal sacrament of abortion, other people's rights are trampled?

"What If" the child to be aborted is the next Albert Einstein or Isaac Newton?
"What If" the father wants the child and the mother does not?
"What If" the abortion clinics are nightmarish slaughterhouses which kill almost as many women as they do infants? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/16/us/kermit-gosnell-abortion-doctor-gets-life-term.html
"what If" adoption were an option?
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No. "the law decides" is not an answer and each of your short responses are..... short when each requires a serious and involved answer. So far as "do we present ourselves to see if we are murdered - there is a fundamental difference. We have a physical and legal presence in the world, people are aware of our existence and if for some reason we go missing, people ask questions. If we are FOUND dead, the law asks questions. We are a part of the society and our being missing raises questions. Not so with a fetus that may never have been seen by anyone and in many cases may not be known of by anyone, nor may there even be any records of the fact of it's existance. I said that due to the number of children aborted, women, who do the aborting, are a suspect class. You say "accidents happen", but most accients are investigated unless they are obviously accidental. We can't know that with spontaneous abortions or miscarriages. There are a variety of ways to cause such "accidents" and if abortion were against the law in this time, they all would be used.

It seems you havn't really thought this through.


What if the next albert einstein or Issac Newton were aborted? Nonesense. What if the next Hitler or Pol Pot were aborted? Beyond that, you and I both know that human advancement rarely - IF ever, hinges upon one man or woman. We havn't had many Einsteins and no Newtons for a long time and yet we tend to carry on. Many discoveries are made simultaneously by more than one person and culture simply selects the one to laud.

What if the father wants it but the mothe does not? I think provisions could and should be made for that eventuality, an agreement just as any other proxy pregnancy should work fairly well.

We have over 1.2 million abortions a year in the U.S. you aren't telling me that we also are losing women at that rate now are you, considering that the biggest cause of death of women in this country is cardio vascular disease.
 
canndo

canndo

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"what if adoption were an an option?" it is, and there are, if I recall, between 40,000 and 100,000 per year. A far cry from 1.2 million needed to take care of the current number of abortions.

I have a high opinion of you Doc, I have for a long time, but your responses just aren't up to your normal caliber.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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this thread should be called "canndo tees 'em up and smacks him down with his engorged, bulbous erection".

i giveth thee 5 stars.
 
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