What is your problem

[Ace Yonder]

Religious freedom from buying condoms? Look, religion is the single biggest impediment to the advancement of man, so it sucks to make me stick it for it, but some people are not pleased with some of the things they are forced to cover based on religious beliefs. Can you really dispute this? You can agree with forcing them to do this against their will for "the greater good" but to say they are able to practice their religion as they see it is a crock.

The way I see it, if your religion dictates that you not use condoms, don't use condoms. If the government requires hospitals to provide condoms and you find that violates your religion, don't work at, run, or fund a hospital. Its not like there will be no more hospitals, it is a void that will be filled. The public should not suffer just because religious institutions filled that void a long time ago. If they don't want to change with the times they can pick up shop and leave, there is no federal mandate requiring them to continue operations. My wife was denied birth control pills during a hospital stay because it was a "Catholic" hospital, but she did not make the choice to go to a "Catholic" hospital, the ambulance that she contacted over a service that is payed for by her tax dollars (911) brought her there. If you work with the government, you abide by the separation of church and state, but no, its okay if you impede on other people's freedoms, but never if it impedes on your freedom to oppress. I see nowhere in the ACA that dictates anything that violates the personal rights of religious people. It doesn't say YOU as a private citizen are required to give out condoms, it says that people who deal with the welfare of the public are. Hospitals and healthcare are not the sole domain of the religious.

 

[UncleBuck]

lol, read the timestamp, if not for your hyperposting and lust for trolling, it would not even have shown as an edit.

I'm quite confident you didn't read it before making this post either.

lol at lies. Did you accuse your teachers of lying in school when they corrected your tests? I bet you did if you found out that teacher was conservative.

you lied though. sorry, bible thumper.

 

[ginwilly]

The way I see it, if your religion dictates that you not use condoms, don't use condoms. If the government requires hospitals to provide condoms and you find that violates your religion, don't work at, run, or fund a hospital. Its not like there will be no more hospitals, it is a void that will be filled. The public should not suffer just because religious institutions filled that void a long time ago. If they don't want to change with the times they can pick up shop and leave, there is no federal mandate requiring them to continue operations. My wife was denied birth control pills during a hospital stay because it was a "Catholic" hospital, but she did not make the choice to go to a "Catholic" hospital, the ambulance that she contacted over a service that is payed for by her tax dollars (911) brought her there. If you work with the government, you abide by the separation of church and state, but no, its okay if you impede on other people's freedoms, but never if it impedes on your freedom to oppress. I see nowhere in the ACA that dictates anything that violates the personal rights of religious people. It doesn't say YOU as a private citizen are required to give out condoms, it says that people who deal with the welfare of the public are. Hospitals and healthcare are not the sole domain of the religious.

Birth control is a required coverage that each individual is REQUIRED to carry. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[ginwilly]

you lied though. sorry, bible thumper.

lol, now I KNOW you are doing this on purpose, you went just a tad far there.

I need to remember to not tap the glass.

 

[UncleBuck]

Birth control is a required coverage that each individual is REQUIRED to carry. I don't know what else to tell you.

and which NO ONE is forced to use.

i'm so sorry that treating medicine like medicine is such a frightening concept to a tired old bigot like you.

for someone who constantly brags about the fact that he works in the medical field, you don't know dick about ovarian cysts, heavy menstrual pains, and the like.

freedom of religion does not mean the freedom to deprive others of medicine by imposing your religion on them, ya old bible thumping bigot.

 

[Ringsixty]

can you edit and add? : Passing a Bill with out reading and knowing what's it.

That would be my selection

 

[UncleBuck]

lol, now I KNOW you are doing this on purpose, you went just a tad far there.

I need to remember to not tap the glass.

i really have n idea why you are lying, but i will continue to point it out and wonder who the fuck you are trying to convince, bible thumper.

 

[Ace Yonder]

You are full of crap.

That is all.

Exactly the kind of blanket, aggressive response that one usually employs when one has no evidence to support a cogent argument. Bravo

 

[ginwilly]

and which NO ONE is forced to use.

i'm so sorry that treating medicine like medicine is such a frightening concept to a tired old bigot like you.

for someone who constantly brags about the fact that he works in the medical field, you don't know dick about ovarian cysts, heavy menstrual pains, and the like.

freedom of religion does not mean the freedom to deprive others of medicine by imposing your religion on them, ya old bible thumping bigot.

Because I've you seen you take this stance before, I know you actually believe it and are not just bucktarding things up in here.

Mandate everyone pitches in for arms, but you don't have to own a gun yourself. Would you agree to this?

I don't have to agree with religious nuts to believe in their rights.

your "you don't have to use it, but have to pay for it" argument is weaksauce dude.

Medicine used to be a personal choice in this country, you advocate it to no longer be that way, that's fine. But you don't get to make up your definitions to support your lust for power over others.

 

[UncleBuck]

Mandate everyone pitches in for arms, but you don't have to own a gun yourself. Would you agree to this?

that already happens, it's called the military and ever growing police state. but do you see me whining like a little bitch about it, like you do?

no, because i understand that i do not have line item vetoes in my tax return.

I don't have to agree with religious nuts to believe in their rights.

freedom of religion does not mean you get to impose your religion on women with ovarian cysts, bible thumper.

you don't get to make up your definitions to support your lust for power over others.

way to try to flip the argument, loser.

sadly for you, however, it is plain fact that birth control is medicine and bible thumpers like you don't get to deprive people of medicine because YOU want to assert your religious boner over others rights.

 

[ginwilly]

that already happens, it's called the military and ever growing police state. but do you see me whining like a little bitch about it, like you do?

no, because i understand that i do not have line item vetoes in my tax return.

We also chip in for the VA system. The two are not the same and you either know it and are dishonest or are really dense.

freedom of religion does not mean you get to impose your religion on women with ovarian cysts, bible thumper.

a religious nut not paying for your birth control does not prevent you from paying for your own( or in your case, your in-laws paying for you) To pretend it does means you are either dishonest or really dense.

way to try to flip the argument, loser.

sadly for you, however, it is plain fact that birth control is medicine and bible thumpers like you don't get to deprive people of medicine because YOU want to assert your religious boner over others rights.

Link to where I am denying birth control is medicine or you are lying yet again.

I like this bible thumper thing, at least it's new. Well played man, bout time you got some new material, your old schtick was Jerry Lewis sad.

 

[UncleBuck]

a religious nut not paying for your birth control does not prevent you from paying for your own( or in your case, your in-laws paying for you) To pretend it does means you are either dishonest or really dense.

let's stop covering cholesterol medication for overweight, out of shape fucks like you becaue my god, flying spaghetti monster, disapproves of it.

i am allowed to use my religion to deny medicine coverage to others, right?

 

[Ace Yonder]

No one is being forced to use condoms. Sadly religious people, like everyone else, must occasionally pay for things they will not use and do not believe in. War and killing might violate my religion but I don't try to get out of paying taxes by trying to claim that paying taxes that fund the military violates my religion.

 

[NoDrama]

Socialism works, until the money runs out, then it definitely fucks shit up, every time.

 

[NoDrama]

let's stop covering cholesterol medication for overweight, out of shape fucks like you becaue my god, flying spaghetti monster, disapproves of it.

i am allowed to use my religion to deny medicine coverage to others, right?

All hail his noodliness!

 

[ginwilly]

let's stop covering cholesterol medication for overweight, out of shape fucks like you becaue my god, flying spaghetti monster, disapproves of it.

i am allowed to use my religion to deny medicine coverage to others, right?

Yes, you should not be forced to pay for another's cholesterol meds. Only a thieving, worthless parasite would think someone else not paying for your shit is the same as denying it.

Overweight and out of shape now too? damn, your desperation reeks. Admittedly I'm not in my 20's anymore, and my 6 pack is more like a 2 pack, but I do OK.

Oh I know what it was, I said as I get older my flat gut and round butt is turning into a round gut and flat butt... lol, you are so desperate. Even self-deprecating humor goes over your head. OMG, too much.

I'm starting to suffer from noassatall. (little more ammo for you)

 

[ginwilly]

buck('s in-law) is denying me my right to a new Harley because he won't pay for it!!

 

[ginwilly]

No one is being forced to use condoms. Sadly religious people, like everyone else, must occasionally pay for things they will not use and do not believe in. War and killing might violate my religion but I don't try to get out of paying taxes by trying to claim that paying taxes that fund the military violates my religion.

Before I go on, are you in the same camp as buck that not paying for other's people shit is the same as denying them their rights to have that shit? If you are, I'll stop now.

Because to me it looks you are finally admitting that people are being forced to pay for something others can pay for themselves or get for free at any planned parenthood, against their religion, but too bad.

 

[ginwilly]

Ace, if the morality issue is a non-factor to you, let me try a different angle on why this bill has holes.

A lesbian couple MUST pay for colonoscopy coverage they will never use. A strict catholic MUST pay for birth control coverage they will never use. Does this benefit the individual or the insurance companies? Is that what you were told the ACA would do? How does this lower costs for people?

 

[UncleBuck]

Yes, you should not be forced to pay for another's cholesterol meds. Only a thieving, worthless parasite would think someone else not paying for your shit is the same as denying it.

goddamn, you have taken the right wing stupid bait hook, line and sinker.

the party of personal responsibility has been duped into fighting against preventive medicine, responsible family planning, reduced abortions, and the tried and true "stitch in time saves nine" type of common sense that saves money and lives.

why? because they don't want to pay for that slut to have sex.

misogyny, xenophobia, bigotry, and racism is king for republicans like ginwilly now.

and they're too stupid to even realize it.