What is your problem

[canndo]

With the ACA?


The government is forcing you to pay?
The program is no good?
The insurance companies are making out?
You don't get what you were promised?
It will ruin the country?
It is socialsim?
It won't help?
It is Obama's program?
It is the liberal agenda at work?

What?

 

[UncleBuck]

my main problem with it is that it is a conservative idea from the heritage foundation at its core, so ya just have to know it's not the best idea in the world.

but some of the crap they stapled to it, like the end of lifetime caps, preexisting conditions, and the like temper it with some common sense.

 

[canndo]

my main problem with it is that it is a conservative idea from the heritage foundation at its core, so ya just have to know it's not the best idea in the world.

but some of the crap they stapled to it, like the end of lifetime caps, preexisting conditions, and the like temper it with some common sense.

Common, perhaps, sense? no.

 

[UncleBuck]

Common, perhaps, sense? no.

common sense would have been looking around the globe at how everyone else does it for less yet cover all, and coming up with a comprehensive plan from there.

but that would be socialism, so no. we can't do that, even though it works.

 

[canndo]

Socialism doesn't work - just look at social security and medicare.

 

[UncleBuck]

Socialism doesn't work - just look at social security and medicare.

or germany's health care system. or japan's. or england's. or switzerland's. or hong kong's.

it's just mind boggling when you look at it.

 

[GOD HERE]

With the ACA?


The government is forcing you to pay?
The program is no good?
The insurance companies are making out?
You don't get what you were promised?
It will ruin the country?
It is socialsim?
It won't help?
It is Obama's program?
It is the liberal agenda at work?

What?

My problem is that it isn't singlepayer health care, and we are still the only western nation without it. We have some of the worst outcomes and highest expenses per patient of countries in the developed world.

 

[ginwilly]

With the ACA?


The government is forcing you to pay?
The program is no good?
The insurance companies are making out?
You don't get what you were promised?
It will ruin the country?
It is socialsim?
It won't help?
It is Obama's program?
It is the liberal agenda at work?

What?

I'm going to say that it adds yet another layer of bureaucracy to an already heavily bureaucratic system. Each layer adds another level of costs, thus it increases costs.

Most of my other issues with it, I had with the old system pre-ACA so I can't blame the bill for those issues, but I can blame the bill for increasing those issues while promising the opposite. (further entrenches the insurance cartel, further entrenches big pharma)

It encourages hospital conglomerates making the independent hospitals more costly. We will soon have a handful of hospital corporations.

It ignores freedom of religion.

They used the shittiest republican idea ever of the individual mandate. It's like "get out of the way, we got this" then use an idea from the right that was so bad it was soundly rejected by all when first presented.

It mandates a level of coverage that not everyone wants and takes away choices you do want. I never go to the doctor, why can't I just buy hospitalization?

It gets involved too much with the patient/doctor personal relationship.

If you include meaningful use that was a trojan horse in the stimulus for preparation of the ACA, I have more.

Things I like, the pre-existing condition mandate. Keeping a kid on your plan until 26 (although a better plan would be no age limit, let me pool with my family and neighbors)

 

[UncleBuck]

it increases costs.

when will it do that? health care costs have been steady since it was passed. before that they kept growing.

who are you trying to convince wit this lie, yourself or other people?

It ignores freedom of religion.

again, who are you trying to convince with these lies? it seems like you are trying to convince yourself.

 

[ginwilly]

you are probably right bucktard

I mean, most people would defer to the vast knowledge about healthcare that a housebitch has over someone who's job it is to know what's in the bill and how best to take advantage of it monetarily. I get paid to consult with doctors on how to combat O'care, you dry pot over cat shit. Of course people trust your word.

edit: if you could understand what actions helped increase costs you could understand why the bill not only doesn't address those reasons, it further complicates them.

But since you've shown that you are willfully ignorant, I'm not holding my breath for you to understand. It has nothing to do with race, but I bet you can get there anyway. GO!

 

[UncleBuck]

you are probably right bucktard

I mean, most people would defer to the vast knowledge about healthcare that a housebitch has over someone who's job it is to know what's in the bill and how best to take advantage of it monetarily. I get paid to consult with doctors on how to combat O'care, you dry pot over cat shit. Of course people trust your word.

*whose

you said obamacare increases costs, yet healthcare costs have been the same since it was passed.

when reality doesn't respond to your right wing rhetoric, that's called a lie.

who are you trying to convince with your lies?

 

[Ace Yonder]

It ignores freedom of religion.

In no way does it prevent anyone from following their individual religious path, whatever that may be. Religious people have the right to follow their religion themselves, they have no right to restrict other people's access to things they find distasteful. Religious freedom does not extend to your right to impede other people's freedom.

 

[ginwilly]

*whose

you said obamacare increases costs, yet healthcare costs have been the same since it was passed.

when reality doesn't respond to your right wing rhetoric, that's called a lie.

who are you trying to convince with your lies?

Read my edit, i'd rather not have to repeat myself.

You are welcome to stay in your delusional bubble, it matters not to me.

 

[ginwilly]

In no way does it prevent anyone from following their individual religious path, whatever that may be. Religious people have the right to follow their religion themselves, they have no right to restrict other people's access to things they find distasteful. Religious freedom does not extend to your right to impede other people's freedom.

Religious freedom from buying condoms? Look, religion is the single biggest impediment to the advancement of man, so it sucks to make me stick it for it, but some people are not pleased with some of the things they are forced to cover based on religious beliefs. Can you really dispute this? You can agree with forcing them to do this against their will for "the greater good" but to say they are able to practice their religion as they see it is a crock.

 

[desert dude]

In no way does it prevent anyone from following their individual religious path, whatever that may be. Religious people have the right to follow their religion themselves, they have no right to restrict other people's access to things they find distasteful. Religious freedom does not extend to your right to impede other people's freedom.

You are full of crap.

That is all.

 

[beenthere]

*whose

you said obamacare increases costs, yet healthcare costs have been the same since it was passed.

when reality doesn't respond to your right wing rhetoric, that's called a lie.

who are you trying to convince with your lies?

Well, you're wrong Bucky and this is one of the times I don't think you're lying, just not informed.
Obamacare will no doubt increase healthcare costs for most of us. You can't claim healthcare costs have been steady since Obamacare passed and attribute that to Obamacare because it hasn't even kicked in yet.

The law may have passed but we as a country have not started paying for it. Wait until the bills start racking up and there is not enough money generated in the exchange pool to cover them.

 

[UncleBuck]

Read my edit, i'd rather not have to repeat myself.

You are welcome to stay in your delusional bubble, it matters not to me.

oh, hey. ginwilly added content via an edit after being caught lying (again).

the health care costs have been steady since the ACA was passed. that's a fact. therefore the delusion lies with you.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well, you're wrong Bucky and this is one of the times I don't think you're lying, just not informed.

how am i lying? i am just reciting mundane facts about health care costs in our nation, which have been steady since obamacare passed.

ginwilly is lying, because he said obamacare increases costs. but the fact is costs have not increased. thus a lie.

who are you trying to convince?

 

[UncleBuck]

Religious freedom from buying condoms? Look, religion is the single biggest impediment to the advancement of man, so it sucks to make me stick it for it, but some people are not pleased with some of the things they are forced to cover based on religious beliefs. Can you really dispute this? You can agree with forcing them to do this against their will for "the greater good" but to say they are able to practice their religion as they see it is a crock.

freedom of religion doesn't mean the right to force your religion upon others.

you and desert dude are the fakest people who pretend not to be religious. everyone can see through the farce.

 

[ginwilly]

oh, hey. ginwilly added content via an edit after being caught lying (again).

the health care costs have been steady since the ACA was passed. that's a fact. therefore the delusion lies with you.

lol, read the timestamp, if not for your hyperposting and lust for trolling, it would not even have shown as an edit.

I'm quite confident you didn't read it before making this post either.

lol at lies. Did you accuse your teachers of lying in school when they corrected your tests? I bet you did if you found out that teacher was conservative.