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OgSince03 said:

Gotcha. I didnt realize it was still an issue.

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Technically it's not anymore, people just report it when they read it

VoidObject said:

Everyone chill the fuck out before I get my delete on

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Sorry if you think I was in the wrong.
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Thanks for info OGSince03, awesome name. I'm using House and Garden. I found about the same thing works for me as far as PPM goes.
So I have noticed lots of people use PPM versus EC or state both. Does this seem true? I was wondering why that is. I understand that we are trying to obtain an idea of the ratio of nutrients in/PPM but meters use conductivity to obtain this and convert to PPM using a coversion factor which can vary depending on the manufacturer. Thus EC seems somehow better to me and more universal.

Also just to verify what I think I know,
Most fertilizers are chemically salts, which are conductive to different degrees based on the charge of their ions.
Pure fresh water has very low or almost no conductivity so adding salts to water increases conductivity.
Manufacturers of meters make assumptions regarding what the ratios of various salts likely are knowing that the meter will be used in plant cultivation.
The EC is measured in micro-siemens and based on assumptions regarding the proportions of different salts a conversion factor is used to convert the EC reading obtained by the meter to PPM.
Because some of the dissolved solids are non-conductive there is not direct correlation between EC and TDS.
Is this correct?

Yes you are correct. A lot of the older 'hydro-heads' use EC. I agree with you on the point of it being universal, thus being better. I too come to the same conclusion as you with it, the more salts, the more conductivity you have, the higher the EC and vise versa. I wanna say EC is mostly used over in Europe, and PPM was just easy for us westerners I guess. Some dissolved solids are non conductive, but I think we still have yet to reach that kind of precise measuring. Parts Per Million is easier for most people to grasp if they have no basic knowledge of water chemistry. Pure fresh water is widely used because of the low number of salts and other addatives. If you use just tap water, you get unwanted build up of these addatives if not properly cleaned. Tap water, however, does keep your system cleaner due to the chlorine, but it adds unwanted factors. Factors like, unwanted chemicals being taken up by the ladies, needing vast amounts of ph down because of all the chemicals acting as a 'buffer', and also not being able to precisely measure your EC/PPM.

Side Note-Thanks for the compliment on the name, I figured it was only right to give thanks to the place that got me started over 10 years ago. Overgrow.com was my home, now ive picked up the pieces and moved here. I thought Overgrow was gonna be back for some reason, wishful thinking though!

So my tap water after going though my tallboy filter has 70-80 PPM
I know my filter cant remove alot of chloramines but it seems to remove chlorine pretty well.
I can only judge based on smell. With out the filter it smells like chlorine and with it i cant smell a thing.
SHould I still let my water sit to let the cholamines evap?

Really suck about overgrow.com. This is the first forum I've ever used but I heard about it because of the bullshit legal situation involved.
Fortunately my local economy cant afford to be busting its citizens.
Since the fishery collapsed from over fishing and incensed sedimentation as a result of logging then the forestry industry collapsed from over harvesting and the spotted owl situation.
Cannabis is the only thing keeping us afloat.
We have been getting more and more people from other countries coming up and doing thousands of plants and just rapping the environment. Fortunately they have been keeping C.A.M.P. busy though.

Yea if you wanna let your water sit for about 12-24 hours to evap most of the chl, it would be helpful. Although, unless you have a auto top off valve, you should be ok. The water in your control bucket, and the rest of the bucket will do some evaporating themselves. I wouldnt worry about it honestly. I use tap, and my ppm are at 195-210. I mix nutes with a base of 200 instead of 0, and adjust ph accordingly. Plants dont respond to ph fluctuations, as i'm sure you have encountered this. If ppms are off, the plant will show signs within a very short time. I do want to warn you about nute lock. Its always better with DWC to add lower ammounts of nutes due to the roots only eating durring the day, and because the roots are always submerged in the nute solution. As you know any kind of nute lock is going to stunt growth, and take longer to recover than if they were not given enough nutes.. I just raise the ppm's slightly when I top off my rez if they show no signs of overdoing the nutes..

Yea man, I cant believe the crazyness I see on t.v. about out west. You would think these people would find somewhere else to grow these gurilla operations.. I have respect for the old timers who have been doing it for years, like you said your family has. I dont agree with these foreign gurilla growers coming to take land for a possible profit..Its getting too crazy out there. It's def, keeping the dogs at bay like you said.lol

Overgrow was the spot.. I remember when people were dreaming about being legal, lol..It was a great place indeed, well established growers that was very open to explaining the science and madness behind their thoughts and techniques.. I guess being in the 'learning curve' era really helped establish my fundamentals on the art, solely on other people's teachings that are used to date. I got a couple buddy's of mine that wanna move somewhere legal, this southern living isnt so friendly when it comes to the law. My father actually has stage 4 lung cancer and is moving to Nevada after his treatments stop working, I figure I'll go out there as well and try to do something with a business in Medical Cannabis..I rather not say Marijuana, it gives the great plant a bad name..lol.

Thanks for everything. Sorry to hear about your Father.

I know what you mean about the South. My Mom and Grandma live in Mississippi.
Lots of great things about the South, laws are not among them.
Seems like Colorado is really the new hot spot for medical cannabis.
But they are going through alot of legel battles,same as most of Southern California was for years after legalization. A couple countys down there are still trying to fight it.

Check out this newspaper, It's distributed at the dispensarys here often and its great cannabis news.
http://www.westcoastleaf.com/

If you do move out maybe we'll get together one day. If you haven't seen California you should.

No problem. I enjoy helping any way I can, I just wish I was able to have the space you do to have a proper setup going. I make do with what I got tho, thats for sure!! I'm probably gonna spend the rest of the night on westcoastleaf, great find! Any kind of news I can get my hands on at this point is only beneficial. My brother just got back from Sacramento and said it was gorgeous, so I wanna check out the major cities. I'm guessing N Cal is where I need to be?. My original plan was to get some money up and move out west with some buddies of mine, but we will see what happends within the next 8 months. I have been saving up for a little bit, so I plan on having enough money to get out there and not stress my cost of living as long as possible, along with enough to get a business going. I'm making a trip this summer to prospect some places to move to. So far its Cali, Colorado, and Nevada. I have a old friend in Washington, but I dont think thats the place for me. I'll def add you to the friends list, I need someone who knows the ropes out in cali if that is where I end up. I wanna go to Cali, but my potential business partners are leaning more towards Colorado. The reason I say Nevada is because my Father mentioned that he wanted to go there, I dont really know why. I'll have to ask him, maybe I can convince him to come out to Cali with me.

Anywho, lol.. I'd love an update of the ladies from time to time. If you have any questions please dont hesitate to pm me.

Sacramento is not a bad place. I have some family there too. Its pretty clean for a big city but I don't think Californians normally think of it as one of our prettier cities.
It's such a big state and so diverse as far as terrain and types of landscape. I love Northern California although I grew up at the foot of the Sierra Nevadas and that area will always be special to me.
L.A. really is a spectacle. It's cool to fly over and all the amusement parks are fun. The central cost is a fantastic area and San Fran is amazing. Its so hard to say where the best place to be for medical cannabis is right now.
The Bay Area (oaksterdamn) is pretty well established as if the L.A. area so it would be tough there. The "desrt cities" inland from L.A. are a good place right now as they are under supplied.My buddies and I will often go all the way down there (12 hours) to get rid of stuff. Up where Iam the medical cannabis scene has been around since 1998 but its been slow to grow as far as number of dispensaries.
We have really low population densities and many people would prefer cannabis be completely illegal so that profits stay high (ignorant assholes). When it comes to other aspects of medical cannabis like having generous county and city interpretations of the law we are the most liberal. People here often don't want to sell locally to the clubs because the prices are lower than if sell out of the area. Colorado is def booming right now but that means its a legal battleground and in the end the guy with good lawyers will be the ones owing the remaining clubs. First thing you have to do is start calling attorneys in the states you are considering and talk to them about what you'd like to do. Norml's list lawyers by state. Most of them will just do criminal defense but I would just ask their sectaries what other local lawyer they might recommend. There are plenty that just set up dispensaries, cultivation agreements and transportation agrements all day everyday.

are you aware of weedmaps?
http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/
This is how we find clubs to sell to. Might be a good resource for you or at least interesting.

Yea its been tough trying to decide on a spot. Ive been going through state registry numbers in different cities, in comparison to clubs to get a bigger margin for success if you will. I actually use weedmaps to help with the research. If you look at aspen, they only have 2 dispensarys I believe...Although I have never been, I would imagine they would have more...You can bet its a pretty penny to get started in aspen, but the money might be worth it. It seems that Colorado is stepping in the shadows of Cali as far as the legislation battles. Its a hard decision even after we find a place or couple places to go, we have election coming up as well. I just wish that who ever gets elected, leaves state issues just that. None of this Fed big brother control, just for more votes.. I believe Obama is in comparison to Bush when it comes to Fed raids on collectives. Prices out in cali are distinguishably different due to it being legal.I cant go into too much detail, but I have friends that get stuff from cali regularly because of low cost out there. On this side of the Miss, regular price is 350 for a oz. 1200 a q. 4000 for a lb. when buying in bulk for most people.. If its grown or coming from cali you know as well as I, profit margin goes up dramatically. As far as attorneys, I have yet to call any. I guess I should go ahead and get the ball rolling on that end, I thought I would wait till we found a state we wanted to be in before I went that far. I guess it couldnt hurt tho. I cant wait to move, I need more liberal minded people to co exist with, lol.. I've also been thinking about being just a caregiver, it sounds a little safer too..I just have to keep a certain amount to plants per patient right?

Sorry I haven't written back. Baseball started and NHL finals are going on. Go Sharks!

Obama has been a real let down for us tokers.
The registration numbers might work differently in other states but here in Cali every county was supposed to start a program that would issue ID cards. Some did but they were all ran by the Sheriffs departments so no one really resisted for the state ID cards. Instead you just have to have a copy of your prescription and or a card which is basically the same thing. So who really knows how many patients there are.

The prices here have been way lower than other states many years before legalization, probably since the 60's . I think it's just supply and demand, California grows most of the US cannabis. Plus when you sell a lot at once it is expected to be cheaper.
Check this out http://cannacentral.com/news/what-us-state-produces-the-most-marijuana-per-person/

You might not guess it but by far, and I mean FAR, most of the weed grown never sees the medical market. For one, the overwhelming majority of the stuff produced is outdoor and only the best of that is acceptable on the medical market. Plus you can make a lot more selling out of state. I like using the dispensarys to sell mine though. Its nice to be totally legal about everything. Only tough part is getting a transportation agreement(without it you can only have 8 dried processed ounce per person in the car) and you can never get rid of more than about 10 p's at a time. Half the time you have to come back a month later to get paid too. Legally they are not supposed to pay you up front, they are to act as if its on consignment.

Being a caregiver here in Cali is different depending on how your county's DA interprets Prop 215 and SB 420. They are hardasses in my city, you can only be a caregiver to someone who lives in the same residence as you and you provide other basic care to. Outside the city limits its way more relaxed. Most of Cali you can grow 6 mature plants or 12 immature plants per patient but if you have more than a certain number of patients you have to set yourself up legally as a cooperative. So being a cooperative is a little different than being a dispensary. Most "Clubs" which is the general slang word are dispensaries so they allow members to sell cannabis on consignment to other members, that's why they are not supposed to just buy it from you and sell it to their patients. Some are cooperatives and when you join you basically make them your caretaker and give up the ability to grow for yourself. They don't really point this out to the people who join nor do they actually expect them to not grow their own. There is another "legal organization"? often called a cooperative as well where many growers work together in a single space.

In my eye's setting up a club is great if you already have money. If you are relying on it being successful to pay the bills you might be setting yourself up for trouble. Its all about getting in on a newly opened market, staying within the local interpretation of the laws and being one of the ones that gets to remain open after the entire downtown turns to clubs and 90% get shutdown.

If I had money I'd do it. On the other hand there are many ways to make a modest living with cannabis.