You guys think this is rootbound? Haha

As soon as this sativa was chucked under hps/flower it has shown mad deficiencies almost shedding a large leaf a day. It seems buds are slowly growing still, but the plant is losing a lot more than it can keep up with. It's about 2 weeks in, I started feeding 1/2 strength at every watering. Botanicare pure blend soil. It's in promix potting mix (essentially HP CC myco with ferts) with a bit of worm poop and cut with a good amount of perlite. The male plant I kept to partially pollinate her did wel in the same mix with the veg nutes, without the worm poop.. about 1/2 strength every water water every third feed... I can't believe it needs more nutrients every waterin although that's what botanicare calls for on their chart. I always start 1/4 strength with something new.. I'm thinking either rootbound literally can't take up cause of that but I think I could finish in this pot it's been in it for only few weeks going up from a 6 inch pot.. do you think lime is depleted and now plants are mag and cal deficient and can't uptake my nutes because the root zone is staying too acidic without the presence of lime? What y'all think? 2x150w hps, temps 80-82 , 74 night. Ph going in has remained 6.5-7.0 entire grow. Ain't pulling the plant out from hps it's tied to wall rofl. As I said other plant/plants were fine. They were doing fine in these temps until put under 2nd hps and increased dark time... I want to see how far I can push it in this pot I know it's possible cheers boyz.

1/2 strength sometimes means half the results.
plants are not receiving enough light for their size/stature

Got a pic in blue or natural light?

chemphlegm said:

1/2 strength sometimes means half the results.
plants are not receiving enough light for their size/stature

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The plant was previously under the 3 cfl light rig you see in the picture. Problems started after I added more light putting the 2nd hps over it at the point of flower.. it looked minty before hand. Here's a pic bout 2.5 weeks ago

That tall one is spindly as all.. is that the genetics? Id say get some more fan in there and fatten those shoots and stem up if not

whitebb2727 said:

Got a pic in blue or natural light?

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Can't pull them out it's a pain for it tied up to wall.. here's a lower leaf I pulled today cause it had a fungus-looking spot on it. Had bad blight outside on toms this yr and my room is now t sealed/intake filtered so don't wanna risk anything further lol. I figured mg due to depletion of lime in the pot/low ph lockout.. unless you think the pants could go from the pic below 2 weeks ago to this fucked that quick due to def. would have thought it would be more gradual and that plant would respond after 3 1/2 strength feeds in dirt.

Givi said:

Can't pull them out it's a pain for it tied up to wall.. here's a lower leaf I pulled today cause it had a fungus-looking spot on it. Had bad blight outside on toms this yr and my room is now t sealed/intake filtered so don't wanna risk anything further lol. I figured mg due to depletion of lime in the pot/low ph lockout.. unless you think the pants could go from the pic below 2 weeks ago to this fucked that quick due to def. would have thought it would be more gradual and that plant would respond after 3 1/2 strength feeds in dirt.

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The pic above last post is 2 weeks ago grew this thing out using the side spillage from the hps on the peppers and the 3 23 waters that's it lmao.

onionslinger said:

That tall one is spindly as all.. is that the genetics? Id say get some more fan in there and fatten those shoots and stem up if not

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I suppose it is mostly genetics ya, they're poor which is why I haven't been much worried about this plant, I kept it for its fat growing traits pollinated it with a dank male. Been grown on 16/8 since seed with a lot of yellow light anyways so that's probably part of it. Thing is only 2.5 months from putting the seed in the dirt. Looks like field hemp lol. There's been fans constantly going. To the point some leaves are taking for it lol..

Been more of a breeding experiment and learning experience than anything but would like to still finish her out

Givi said:

The plant was previously under the 3 cfl light rig you see in the picture. Problems started after I added more light putting the 2nd hps over it at the point of flower.. it looked minty before hand. Here's a pic bout 2.5 weeks ago

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the plant was lazily living under a cfl, when it was time to do business under some still weak, but better lighting you shorted her necessary resources to continue her thriving. she will die back to the size that our resources can provide. she can only thrive to here weakest resource. breeding under these conditions makes shitty seeds anyways, been there done that too. skip it till ou get the whole growing thing down right. like a 600 watt light at least for flowering, and controls to keep in in line.

goodluck

chemphlegm said:

the plant was lazily living under a cfl, when it was time to do business under some still weak, but better lighting you shorted her necessary resources to continue her thriving. she will die back to the size that our resources can provide. she can only thrive to here weakest resource. breeding under these conditions makes shitty seeds anyways, been there done that too. skip it till ou get the whole growing thing down right. like a 600 watt light at least for flowering, and controls to keep in in line.

goodluck

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Had a 600 was too much for my space. The white widow I had under it on my last post cpl yrs back yielded a qp of some killer bud and was about half the size of the upper portion of this plant. This already looks comparable under this lighting... just the leaf deificincies are far worse here and genetics are lacking. I already pulled seed from her lowers that we're pollinated and the male has lived his life. He floweed out on 15/9 for some Eason which is why I took advantage of an opportunity to learn something new. Seeds look hard, brown, medium sized and very viable. Will try them out sometime down the road. So you're saying there's not enough light? Yet the problem arose after introducing extra light and I'm sure will get worse with adding more? I feel like it's a root/nutritional problem but thanks for the input will keep it in mind. Would think plant would be toxic or overloaded if it was reviving too little light.. almost seems like the leaves that are less exposed to the hps light on the upper portion are a lot more green also. Ones more exposed are very yellow.

I'd google Ed Rosenthal, check out his answers, he's a swell cannabis guru

chemphlegm said:

the plant was lazily living under a cfl, when it was time to do business under some still weak, but better lighting you shorted her necessary resources to continue her thriving. she will die back to the size that our resources can provide. she can only thrive to here weakest resource. breeding under these conditions makes shitty seeds anyways, been there done that too. skip it till ou get the whole growing thing down right. like a 600 watt light at least for flowering, and controls to keep in in line.

goodluck

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Here are a few seeds I plucked off the small lowers that I left on.

chemphlegm said:

I'd google Ed Rosenthal, check out his answers, he's a swell cannabis guru

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by crappy seed produced in these conditions do you mean the viablility and quality of the seed itself or the fact that the genetics of the plants the seeds produce will be somehow lesser of quality than they would have been produced under higher lighting conditions? Most advice or vids if watched with breeding guy has a small tent or space dedicated with fluoros low light just enough to keep plants happy and get the seed born..

Givi said:

Here are a few seeds I plucked off the small lowers that I left on.

1)by crappy seed produced in these conditions do you mean the viablility and quality of the seed itself or the fact that the genetics of the plants the seeds produce will be somehow lesser of quality than they would have been produced under higher lighting conditions?
2)Most advice or vids if watched with breeding guy has a small tent or space dedicated with fluoros low light just enough to keep plants happy and get the seed born..

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1- viability, quality-yes. seeds grown in poor conditions result in seeds that produce poor plants often

2- I likely watch different channels than you. flowering marijuana plants are not happy under just enough flouros. happy flowers make happy seeds.

not trying to rain on your parade. we all been there, right where you are likely.
good luck, enjoy