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marcospartida

marcospartida

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I spray everyweek i loose about a half oz or an 8th every year.. Nothing at all..i use BT ..Neighboor looses whole ones he doesn't spray he tries to hand pick them out .Not gonna work..Smell goes away quick ..I sprayed yesterday today I didn't smell nothing they loved it..I soaked them..
 
See green

See green

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Same here, BT is wonderful!! My experience is it must be used well before you even see them.Before I started using it I lost every single top to those little worms..smh
 
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SCJedi

SCJedi

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The day before I found the worm was my weekly IPM spray. This is Karanja, Neem, KSil, Pyganic, aloe flakes, soap, and about 10ml of a variety of three essential oils (cinnamon, peppermint, clove, eucalyptus, citronella, blah blah blah depending on how I feel)

Compared to my IPM (or even my weekly AACT drench) I will state that BT has no odor.
 
jbcCT

jbcCT

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I've read a few posts in this extremely long thread, about people spraying BT on fully developed buds. I'm not sure that is a worthwhile endeavor.

Worms tend to nestle inside the bud, close to the stem, around the nodes.

I'm thinking the best time for application is pre flower, and the first 30 days of flowering.
 
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kindnug

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jbcCT said:
I've read a few posts in this extremely long thread, about people spraying BT on fully developed buds. I'm not sure that is a worthwhile endeavor.

Worms tend to nestle inside the bud, close to the stem, around the nodes.

I'm thinking the best time for application is pre flower, and the first 30 days of flowering.
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Shouldn't have fully developed buds this time of year, unless growing autos...
This is the first month of flower, perfect time for Bt IMO.

It says to use before or @ first sign of caterpillars, once they burrow all the way to the stem it's going to cause bud-rot anyway.
 
too larry

too larry

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kindnug said:
Shouldn't have fully developed buds this time of year, unless growing autos.... . . . .
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Or your genetics isn't used to the short ass days in the south. I've only found one worm this year, but had to chop several already for bud rot. Almost everyday for the last 2 months my 10 day forecast has said 10 days of possible rain. Heavy rain and sticky buds don't go well together.
 
Baja.Beaches

Baja.Beaches

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Is anyone using a Dynatrap for worm control?

An outdoor grower I know in No Cal. kept raving on his DynaTrap & how much it had helped with the worms. I was skeptical but after many years of battle I was ready to try anything. They are not cheap, but I watched the you tube videos & finally put one out in the spring.

It’s a trap, not a zapper. The amount of moths that thing has caught is impressive. I see the evidence so it has to be helping. I skipped spraying at all so far as a test. Worms are still here but way less than any other year, when I had been spraying. I did not like spraying, it was not all the effective in flower & brought plenty of its own issues.

They also advertise to also attract mosquitoes. Yeah right. I thought nothing works on mosquitoes but I haven’t been bit this year so far, I am still deciding but I think this Dynatrap is helping a lot. The worms are still around & August is not done but so far I am encouraged. I’ll report back in a couple more months.
 
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Muzzle2

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I didn't pay attention to my auto and during the drying stage I noticed budworms all over my buds. Trashed the whole crop. Was about an oz or so. I have another one growing that was right next to it outside. It started flowering last week and the flowers are probably half inch to inch. Just got BT today. Thinking about soaking them up. Is it too late? The buds are just starting and they're pretty small. The tree is about 4.5 feet.
 
jbcCT

jbcCT

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Muzzle2 said:
I didn't pay attention to my auto and during the drying stage I noticed budworms all over my buds. Trashed the whole crop. Was about an oz or so. I have another one growing that was right next to it outside. It started flowering last week and the flowers are probably half inch to inch. Just got BT today. Thinking about soaking them up. Is it too late? The buds are just starting and they're pretty small. The tree is about 4.5 feet.
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No, it's not too late if the plant is just starting to flower or a few weeks into flower. I believe that's the best time to spray. I'm of the belief that spraying this stuff on fully formed buds is pointless. The worms hang out in the buds near the nodes.

I also spray pesticides around my entire grow patch weekly through the entire summer. The moths hide in the grass. I kill as many as humanly possible as well as other insects. I believe this is key in many regions growing outdoors. You have to go after the moths. Electric zapper away from patch as well on advice from another poster.

BT is my last line of defense. Keep in mind as well the worm has to consume the product in order for it to work.
 
jbcCT

jbcCT

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Baja.Beaches said:
Is anyone using a Dynatrap for worm control?

An outdoor grower I know in No Cal. kept raving on his DynaTrap & how much it had helped with the worms. I was skeptical but after many years of battle I was ready to try anything. They are not cheap, but I watched the you tube videos & finally put one out in the spring.

It’s a trap, not a zapper. The amount of moths that thing has caught is impressive. I see the evidence so it has to be helping. I skipped spraying at all so far as a test. Worms are still here but way less than any other year, when I had been spraying. I did not like spraying, it was not all the effective in flower & brought plenty of its own issues.

They also advertise to also attract mosquitoes. Yeah right. I thought nothing works on mosquitoes but I haven’t been bit this year so far, I am still deciding but I think this Dynatrap is helping a lot. The worms are still around & August is not done but so far I am encouraged. I’ll report back in a couple more months.
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Never heard of it. Since its a trap, does it use some sort of pheromones to attract?

If so, like the Japanese beetle traps I've heard it can turn your spot into a magnet, attracting more than would naturally exit. If used they say to keep them far enough away from the grow to not lead them to the plants.

Ever use pesticides to attack the moths?
 
jbcCT

jbcCT

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too larry said:
I call some of my patches Darwin Dope. It's survival of the dankest. lol When it rains, I just carry enough water to deliver food. I don't use a lot of added ferts either. I try to make my soil mix hot enough to get me through to flower with only small amounts of 11-2-1 veg food, then I scratch in some 2-10-10.

I never did any IPM before I ran the bag seed testers. I had always grown local strains, which are sativa leaners. They never had bud rot or worm issues. But the BST's were big and sticky buds, and they were loaded with worms. Now I spray neem once a week in veg.

My main problem is my length of day. I'm in NW Florida, and my longest day is 14 hours 7 minutes. When my buddies send me strains used to longer light hours {in the northern legal states}, they all flower in the summertime, when it rains everyday.
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I'm like you. I make mine hot enough though to get me from seedling to end of veg. I add a dash of low mag mid way through veg. Cal mag em' through flower and that's it.

I'm really looking forward to see if BT works. No sign of any worms yet but have seen the occasional moth which I'm constantly battling with pesticides. Trying to kill those fuckers before they lay that larvae.
 
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OnefootintheGrave’

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jbcCT said:
I've read a few posts in this extremely long thread, about people spraying BT on fully developed buds. I'm not sure that is a worthwhile endeavor.

Worms tend to nestle inside the bud, close to the stem, around the nodes.

I'm thinking the best time for application is pre flower, and the first 30 days of flowering.
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I would think the worms would have a snack on the trip up to bud mountain and have upset tummy before the could really damage buds. Lol
 
Baja.Beaches

Baja.Beaches

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jbcCT said:
Never heard of it. Since its a trap, does it use some sort of pheromones to attract?

If so, like the Japanese beetle traps I've heard it can turn your spot into a magnet, attracting more than would naturally exit. If used they say to keep them far enough away from the grow to not lead them to the plants.

Ever use pesticides to attack the moths?
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Look at the Dynatrap videos on YouTube, it uses black light, & produces CO2 for the lure, instead of zapping them a strong fan sucks them into the trap. I am getting a whole LOT of moths but I need to update my opinion.

It is awesome & catches a whole lot of moths & other pests. It definitely reduced the worms BUT I was still getting some. I realize that it does not seem to work against the Pieris rapae, the imported small cabbage butterfly. In my urban area I have fought those suckers for years, but never quite got rid of them. Trichogramma seemed to help. Mrs. Beaches hates it tho.

So I guess its usefulness depends on the worm you are fighting. A total solution for my No Cal friends, but not for me in an urban area for moths, however I am happy with the mosquito control & still very glad to have it. My neighbors have thanked me.

Good to know the enemy tho, it’s war on the Pieris rapae.

And yes I have used BT plenty but once those worms are in the bud not very effective for me & I did not like the smell. Your mileage may vary but once flowering it is tough. Just released more Trichogramma (don't tell my wife). This is war.
 
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