Ya know that whole Russia thing?

choomer

Well-Known Member
The more time goes on the more the "Russian Collusion" dreck looks like the projection of Obummer/Hitlery policy. ;)

[Copied from https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-01/russian-oligarch-and-putin-pal-admits-collusion-secret-meetings]



Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a close associate of Vladimir Putin, has gone on record with The Hill's John Solomon - admitting to colluding with Americans leading up to the 2016 US election, except it might not be what you're thinking.



Deripaska, rumored to be Donald Trump's "back channel" to Putin via the Russian's former association with Paul Manafort, says he "colluded" with the US Government between 2009 and 2016.

In 2009, when Robert Mueller was running the FBI, the agency asked Deripaska to spend $25 million of his own money to bankroll an FBI-supervised operation to rescue a retired FBI agent - Robert Levinson, who was kidnapped in 2007 while working on a 2007 CIA contract in Iran. This in and of itself is more than a bit strange.

Deripaska agreed, however the Obama State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton, scuttled a last-minute deal with Iran before Levinson could be released. He hasn't been heard from since.

FBI agents courted Deripaska in 2009 in a series of secret hotel meetings in Paris; Vienna; Budapest, Hungary, and Washington. Agents persuaded the aluminum industry magnate to underwrite the mission. The Russian billionaire insisted the operation neither involve nor harm his homeland. -The Hill

In other words - Trump's alleged "back channel" to Putin was in fact an FBI asset who spent $25 million helping Obama's "scandal free" administration find a kidnapped agent. Deripaska's admitted

Steele, Ohr and the 2016 US Election



As the New York Times frames it, distancing Deripaska from the FBI (no mention of the $25 million rescue effort, for example), the Russian aluminum magnate was just one of several Putin-linked Oligarchs the FBI tried to flip.

The attempt to flip Mr. Deripaska was part of a broader, clandestine American effort to gauge the possibility of gaining cooperation from roughly a half-dozen of Russia’s richest men, nearly all of whom, like Mr. Deripaska, depend on President Vladimir V. Putin to maintain their wealth, the officials said. -NYT

Central to the recruiting effort were two central players in the Trump-Russia investigation; twice-demoted DOJ #4 official Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele - the author of the largely unverified "Steele Dossier."

Steele, a longtime associate of Ohr's, worked for Deripaska beginning in 2012 researching a business rival - work which would evolve to the point where the former British spy was interfacing with the Obama administration on his behalf - resulting in Deripaska regaining entry into the United States, where he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017.

The State Department tried to keep him from getting a U.S. visa between 2006 and 2009 because they believed he had unspecified connections to criminal elements in Russia as he consolidated power in the aluminum industry. Deripaska has denied those allegations...

Whatever the case, it is irrefutable that after he began helping the FBI, Deripaska regained entry to the United States. And he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017, visa entry records show. -The Hill

Deripaska is now banned from the United States as one of several Russians sanctioned in April in response to alleged 2016 election meddling.

In a September 2016 meeting, Deripaska told FBI agents that it was "preposterous" that Paul Manafort was colluding with Russia to help Trump win the 2016 election. This, despite the fact that Deripaska and Manafort's business relationship "ended in lawsuits, per The Hill - and the Russian would have every reason to throw Manafort under the bus if he wanted some revenge on his old associate.

So the FBI and DOJ secretly collaborated with Trump's alleged backchannel over a seven-year period, starting with Levinson, then on Deripaska's Visa, and finally regarding whether Paul Manafort was an intermediary to Putin. Deripaska vehemently denies the assertion, and even took out newspaper advertisements in the US last year volunteering to testify to Congress, refuting an AP report that he and Manafort secretly worked on a plan to "greatly benefit the Putin government" a decade ago.

Soon after the advertisements ran, representatives for the House and Senate Intelligence Committees called a Washington-based lawyer for Mr. Deripaska, Adam Waldman, inquiring about taking his client up on the offer to testify, Mr. Waldman said in an interview.

What happened after that has been in dispute. Mr. Waldman, who stopped working for Mr. Deripaska after the sanctions were levied, said he told the committee staff that his client would be willing to testify without any grant of immunity, but would not testify about any Russian collusion with the Trump campaign because “he doesn’t know anything about that theory and actually doesn’t believe it occurred.” -NYT

In short, Deripaska wants it known that he worked with the FBI and DOJ, and that he had nothing to do with the Steele dossier.

Today, Deripaska is banned anew from the United States, one of several Russians sanctioned in April by the Trump administration as a way to punish Putin for 2016 election meddling. But he wants to be clear about a few things, according to a statement provided by his team. First, he did collude with Americans in the form of voluntarily assisting and meeting with the FBI, the DOJ and people such as Ohr between 2009 and 2016.

He also wants Americans to know he did not cooperate or assist with Steele’s dossier, and he tried to dispel the FBI notion that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded during the 2016 election. -The Hill

Interestingly, Steele's dossier which was partially funded by the Clinton campaign, relied on senior Kremlin officials.

It would be most helpful if the Department of Justice could please investigate and then prosecute themselves and/or members of the previous administration, so that journalists like John Solomon, Sara Carter, Luke Rosiak, Chuck Ross and others don't have to continue to break stories that are seemingly ignored by all but a handful of Congressional investigators.

 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
The more time goes on the more the "Russian Collusion" dreck looks like the projection of Obummer/Hitlery policy. ;)

[Copied from https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-01/russian-oligarch-and-putin-pal-admits-collusion-secret-meetings]



Russian Oligarch Oleg Deripaska, a close associate of Vladimir Putin, has gone on record with The Hill's John Solomon - admitting to colluding with Americans leading up to the 2016 US election, except it might not be what you're thinking.



Deripaska, rumored to be Donald Trump's "back channel" to Putin via the Russian's former association with Paul Manafort, says he "colluded" with the US Government between 2009 and 2016.

In 2009, when Robert Mueller was running the FBI, the agency asked Deripaska to spend $25 million of his own money to bankroll an FBI-supervised operation to rescue a retired FBI agent - Robert Levinson, who was kidnapped in 2007 while working on a 2007 CIA contract in Iran. This in and of itself is more than a bit strange.

Deripaska agreed, however the Obama State Department, headed by Hillary Clinton, scuttled a last-minute deal with Iran before Levinson could be released. He hasn't been heard from since.

FBI agents courted Deripaska in 2009 in a series of secret hotel meetings in Paris; Vienna; Budapest, Hungary, and Washington. Agents persuaded the aluminum industry magnate to underwrite the mission. The Russian billionaire insisted the operation neither involve nor harm his homeland. -The Hill

In other words - Trump's alleged "back channel" to Putin was in fact an FBI asset who spent $25 million helping Obama's "scandal free" administration find a kidnapped agent. Deripaska's admitted

Steele, Ohr and the 2016 US Election



As the New York Times frames it, distancing Deripaska from the FBI (no mention of the $25 million rescue effort, for example), the Russian aluminum magnate was just one of several Putin-linked Oligarchs the FBI tried to flip.

The attempt to flip Mr. Deripaska was part of a broader, clandestine American effort to gauge the possibility of gaining cooperation from roughly a half-dozen of Russia’s richest men, nearly all of whom, like Mr. Deripaska, depend on President Vladimir V. Putin to maintain their wealth, the officials said. -NYT

Central to the recruiting effort were two central players in the Trump-Russia investigation; twice-demoted DOJ #4 official Bruce Ohr and Christopher Steele - the author of the largely unverified "Steele Dossier."

Steele, a longtime associate of Ohr's, worked for Deripaska beginning in 2012 researching a business rival - work which would evolve to the point where the former British spy was interfacing with the Obama administration on his behalf - resulting in Deripaska regaining entry into the United States, where he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017.

The State Department tried to keep him from getting a U.S. visa between 2006 and 2009 because they believed he had unspecified connections to criminal elements in Russia as he consolidated power in the aluminum industry. Deripaska has denied those allegations...

Whatever the case, it is irrefutable that after he began helping the FBI, Deripaska regained entry to the United States. And he visited numerous times between 2009 and 2017, visa entry records show. -The Hill

Deripaska is now banned from the United States as one of several Russians sanctioned in April in response to alleged 2016 election meddling.

In a September 2016 meeting, Deripaska told FBI agents that it was "preposterous" that Paul Manafort was colluding with Russia to help Trump win the 2016 election. This, despite the fact that Deripaska and Manafort's business relationship "ended in lawsuits, per The Hill - and the Russian would have every reason to throw Manafort under the bus if he wanted some revenge on his old associate.

So the FBI and DOJ secretly collaborated with Trump's alleged backchannel over a seven-year period, starting with Levinson, then on Deripaska's Visa, and finally regarding whether Paul Manafort was an intermediary to Putin. Deripaska vehemently denies the assertion, and even took out newspaper advertisements in the US last year volunteering to testify to Congress, refuting an AP report that he and Manafort secretly worked on a plan to "greatly benefit the Putin government" a decade ago.

Soon after the advertisements ran, representatives for the House and Senate Intelligence Committees called a Washington-based lawyer for Mr. Deripaska, Adam Waldman, inquiring about taking his client up on the offer to testify, Mr. Waldman said in an interview.

What happened after that has been in dispute. Mr. Waldman, who stopped working for Mr. Deripaska after the sanctions were levied, said he told the committee staff that his client would be willing to testify without any grant of immunity, but would not testify about any Russian collusion with the Trump campaign because “he doesn’t know anything about that theory and actually doesn’t believe it occurred.” -NYT

In short, Deripaska wants it known that he worked with the FBI and DOJ, and that he had nothing to do with the Steele dossier.

Today, Deripaska is banned anew from the United States, one of several Russians sanctioned in April by the Trump administration as a way to punish Putin for 2016 election meddling. But he wants to be clear about a few things, according to a statement provided by his team. First, he did collude with Americans in the form of voluntarily assisting and meeting with the FBI, the DOJ and people such as Ohr between 2009 and 2016.

He also wants Americans to know he did not cooperate or assist with Steele’s dossier, and he tried to dispel the FBI notion that Russia and the Trump campaign colluded during the 2016 election. -The Hill

Interestingly, Steele's dossier which was partially funded by the Clinton campaign, relied on senior Kremlin officials.

It would be most helpful if the Department of Justice could please investigate and then prosecute themselves and/or members of the previous administration, so that journalists like John Solomon, Sara Carter, Luke Rosiak, Chuck Ross and others don't have to continue to break stories that are seemingly ignored by all but a handful of Congressional investigators.

um, could you just put this in an Excell spreadsheet..Choomer? are you trying to say this was all Hillary? sounds like Deriposka knows he's next up 'out the window' visit from putin. 'wants to make sure everyone knows he had nothing to do with steele dossier..':lol: and Choomer you help deliver their propaganda..that's called 'patsy' pre-millenial.

pat·sy
ˈpatsē/
noun
NORTH AMERICANinformal
  1. a person who is easily taken advantage of, especially by being cheated or blamed for something.
let mueller do his job..have you ever had any up close and personal with a russian..meaning business? i'm guessing not..let mueller do his job.
 
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choomer

Well-Known Member
um, could you just put this in an Excell spreadsheet..Choomer? are you trying to say this was all Hillary? sounds like Deriposka knows he's next up 'out the window' visit from putin. 'wants to make sure everyone knows he had nothing to do with steele dossier..':lol: and Choomer you help deliver their propaganda..that's called 'patsy' pre-millenial.

pat·sy
ˈpatsē/
noun
NORTH AMERICANinformal
  1. a person who is easily taken advantage of, especially by being cheated or blamed for something.
let mueller do his job..have you ever had any up close and personal with a russian..meaning business? i'm guessing not..let mueller do his job.
Wow.

A little bunged up about me shutting down your presuppositions of farming?
The Steele dossier has been proven to be an echo chamber justification (FBI leaks to the press, take press reports to FISA, gets FISA approval for surveillance based on the news stories) for a witch hunt.

Where's the collusion evidence?
So far it's (Mueller probe) only brought forth criminal charges for incidents long before the election.
Something easily done for just about any political/gov't figure if you look hard enough, but does nothing to prove collusion.

Why are you exemplifying the definition of a useful idiot?
In political jargon, a useful idiot is a derogatory term for a person perceived as a propagandist for a cause of whose goals they are not fully aware and who is used cynically by the leaders of the cause.[1][2] The term was originally used to describe non-Communists regarded as susceptible to Communist propaganda and manipulation.[1] The term has often been attributed to Vladimir Lenin, but this attribution is controversial.[3][4]


It doesn't really matter though as this thread will disappear shortly if rolli's "moderation" practices follow the norm. ;)
 

Justin-case

Well-Known Member
Wow.

A little bunged up about me shutting down your presuppositions of farming?
The Steele dossier has been proven to be an echo chamber justification (FBI leaks to the press, take press reports to FISA, gets FISA approval for surveillance based on the news stories) for a witch hunt.

Where's the collusion evidence?
So far it's (Mueller probe) only brought forth criminal charges for incidents long before the election.
Something easily done for just about any political/gov't figure if you look hard enough, but does nothing to prove collusion.

Why are you exemplifying the definition of a useful idiot?


It doesn't really matter though as this thread will disappear shortly if rolli's "moderation" practices follow the norm. ;)
Lol, shcuylaar made you look dumb.
 

travisw

Well-Known Member


Former Zerohedge writer Colin Lokey, who wrote much of the site’s political content, summed up his time with the company, “I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there’s no room for it. “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft,” Lokey wrote, describing his take on the website's politics.

“I can’t be a 24-hour cheerleader for Hezbollah, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, and Trump anymore. It’ s wrong. Period. I know it gets you views now, but it will kill your brand over the long run. This isn’t a revolution. It’s a joke.”

https://www.wealthmanagement.com/industry/unmasking-men-behind-zero-hedge-wall-streets-renegade-blog

http://www.finra.org/newsroom/2008/finra-bars-two-registered-representatives-insider-trading
 

choomer

Well-Known Member
schuylaar didn't mean to hurt choomer..choomer schuylaar friend.
You get what you give.
I'm only following the proven (yet unwritten) credo of every socialist gov't that has ever existed.
I bet Bernie would endorse it. ;)


Former Zerohedge writer Colin Lokey, who wrote much of the site’s political content, summed up his time with the company, “I tried to inject as much truth as I could into my posts, but there’s no room for it. “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry= dunce. Vladimir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft,” Lokey wrote, describing his take on the website's politics.

“I can’t be a 24-hour cheerleader for Hezbollah, Moscow, Tehran, Beijing, and Trump anymore. It’ s wrong. Period. I know it gets you views now, but it will kill your brand over the long run. This isn’t a revolution. It’s a joke.”

https://www.wealthmanagement.com/industry/unmasking-men-behind-zero-hedge-wall-streets-renegade-blog

http://www.finra.org/newsroom/2008/finra-bars-two-registered-representatives-insider-trading


I only partially blame you for the stupidity of using a Bloomberg hit piece to malign zerohedge since the way this site recognizes links in posts is completely retarded in displaying them as plain text (I wonder if it was a moderator's choice? ;) ).

If it didn't. perhaps you'd notice that the piece is pretty much a carbon copy of the LINKED article from The Hill, e.g.
(colored edit for the brain dead)
...followed by a supporting story from Bloomberg (the source of your zerohege critique being a disgruntled ex-employee, but a competitor site would never do that, would they?) e.g.
... and the NYT e.g.
which has had multiple "misreporting issues" lately and whose most recent claim to fame is hiring an editor that blatantly hates white people.

But then again, I look to the company you keep and I can't blame it all on the site's colorless link choice. ;)

There was a lot of other blather both before and after you but it amounted to yet more proof of the refusal to read past the title of something that threatens the shallow and pedantic paradigm of the Dims.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You get what you give.
I'm only following the proven (yet unwritten) credo of every socialist gov't that has ever existed.
I bet Bernie would endorse it. ;)



I only partially blame you for the stupidity of using a Bloomberg hit piece to malign zerohedge since the way this site recognizes links in posts is completely retarded in displaying them as plain text (I wonder if it was a moderator's choice? ;) ).

If it didn't. perhaps you'd notice that the piece is pretty much a carbon copy of the LINKED article from The Hill, e.g.
(colored edit for the brain dead)

...followed by a supporting story from Bloomberg (the source of your zerohege critique being a disgruntled ex-employee, but a competitor site would never do that, would they?) e.g.

... and the NYT e.g.

which has had multiple "misreporting issues" lately and whose most recent claim to fame is hiring an editor that blatantly hates white people.

But then again, I look to the company you keep and I can't blame it all on the site's colorless link choice. ;)

There was a lot of other blather both before and after you but it amounted to yet more proof of the refusal to read past the title of something that threatens the shallow and pedantic paradigm of the Dims.
who do you think mueller will indict next?
 

travisw

Well-Known Member
You get what you give.
I'm only following the proven (yet unwritten) credo of every socialist gov't that has ever existed.
I bet Bernie would endorse it. ;)



I only partially blame you for the stupidity of using a Bloomberg hit piece to malign zerohedge since the way this site recognizes links in posts is completely retarded in displaying them as plain text (I wonder if it was a moderator's choice? ;) ).

If it didn't. perhaps you'd notice that the piece is pretty much a carbon copy of the LINKED article from The Hill, e.g.
(colored edit for the brain dead)

...followed by a supporting story from Bloomberg (the source of your zerohege critique being a disgruntled ex-employee, but a competitor site would never do that, would they?) e.g.

... and the NYT e.g.

which has had multiple "misreporting issues" lately and whose most recent claim to fame is hiring an editor that blatantly hates white people.

But then again, I look to the company you keep and I can't blame it all on the site's colorless link choice. ;)

There was a lot of other blather both before and after you but it amounted to yet more proof of the refusal to read past the title of something that threatens the shallow and pedantic paradigm of the Dims.
Oh, Hey @choomer, I'm sorry. I had no idea you were out of your fucking mind.

Let's look at what happened here. You posted one the largest op's I ever seen, blaming the Russia thing on Obama and Hillary.

I posted a quote from a former employee and a pig gif.

You call me stupid for linking the citation for the quote. Which honestly strikes me as funny. Given you were too fucking dumb to post a working link in your op.

You then start frothing at the mouth about colored links and the brain dead. This again amused me, as you were too fucking dumb to post a working link in your op.

You then make a ridiculous comment about the company I keep. This strikes me as odd as this is a message board, and I don't keep any company here. If this is a reference to whose posts, I've liked in the past, I'd only remind you I've liked posts from you in the past as well. In your mind, are we keeping each other company now?

You then say some more stupid shit about there was a lot of blather before and after me. My first post was number 9 and looks like this one will be the 15th. By my count we are still in the early stages of blather given your thread is still on page 1.

You ended with some nonsense about Dims

 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
You get what you give.
I'm only following the proven (yet unwritten) credo of every socialist gov't that has ever existed.
I bet Bernie would endorse it. ;)



I only partially blame you for the stupidity of using a Bloomberg hit piece to malign zerohedge since the way this site recognizes links in posts is completely retarded in displaying them as plain text (I wonder if it was a moderator's choice? ;) ).

If it didn't. perhaps you'd notice that the piece is pretty much a carbon copy of the LINKED article from The Hill, e.g.
(colored edit for the brain dead)

...followed by a supporting story from Bloomberg (the source of your zerohege critique being a disgruntled ex-employee, but a competitor site would never do that, would they?) e.g.

... and the NYT e.g.

which has had multiple "misreporting issues" lately and whose most recent claim to fame is hiring an editor that blatantly hates white people.

But then again, I look to the company you keep and I can't blame it all on the site's colorless link choice. ;)

There was a lot of other blather both before and after you but it amounted to yet more proof of the refusal to read past the title of something that threatens the shallow and pedantic paradigm of the Dims.
Zerohedge sucks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/zero-hedge/

"Zero Hedge’s content has been classified as “alt-right” and has been criticized for presenting conspiracy theories.

In review, Zero Hedge publishes pro-right wing/Trump articles such as Pat Buchanan: “Trump Calls Off Cold War II.” As well as fake news stories regarding liberals: Anti-Trump Protesters Bused Into Austin, Chicago."

It's a bullshit blog for nuts. You included. Or especially .
 
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