I have a male AK47 that began preflowering sooner then the others and the preflowers are large clusters. Do you think it that means it will produce offspring that mature faster then the others? I assume that to be the case but dont have any experience breeding and picking good males. Thanks for the help!
Will my male with fast crazy preflowers make a good father?
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hazey grapes
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it depends on what your preference is. if you want to breed back to stony indica dominance and faster harvests, then that would be your stud, but according to DJ shorts, you should go in the OPPOSITE direction and look for a non-dominant recessive male as that's where you'll get all of the fun flavors and effects. i'd bet a big reason so many strains out there these days are so watered down is because it's natural for breeders to select for early flowering dominance. i did it myself with my C99 male the first time i knocked plants up.
the BEST thing to do would be test ALL of your males to see which one is truly exceptional for whatever traits are most important to you, but as DJ shorts is highly respected as a breeder, it's a good idea to listen to what he has to say on the subject:
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48788-tips-breeding-dj-short.html
and subcool shares some interesting info here too
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48785-subcools-breeding-better-cannabis.html
the BEST thing to do would be test ALL of your males to see which one is truly exceptional for whatever traits are most important to you, but as DJ shorts is highly respected as a breeder, it's a good idea to listen to what he has to say on the subject:
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48788-tips-breeding-dj-short.html
and subcool shares some interesting info here too
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/48785-subcools-breeding-better-cannabis.html
Well it depends on what you want in the end. You could perhaps lean towards a early AK trait if you select a fast flowering fem to match the fast male.
Just keep in mind that as general rule of thumb.
Long flower- More potent/powerful/etc...(longer=more thc/stuff to get you high, a pure haze will fk shit up with 20 weeks of flower.)
Short flower- Less potent, but you get your harvest quicker. As HG has mentioned; DJ S refers to fast flower phenos as hemp dom rather than drug trait dom.
Male flower clusters: the more dense they are; the heavier the yield(generally)
Also, do look at the structure, smell and stretch of the male in particular; if you like how it looks and smells, use it.
Good Luck!
hazey grapes
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it's like i have to keep arguing with sativa hatin' trolls... you want the absolute best quality (and that mean HIGH fuck stoned!), you need to put up with fussy stretchy slow plants. you can't take shorts and keep the same quality. you can get awesome hybrids, but you can only water down landraces.
+REP for the 14 weeks plus thing!
highland thai? uppity hermie bitch, but at least tasty
malawi gold? much more co-operative and faster flipping... requires a full test
columbian gold? on my gage green wishlist!
oldtimer's (purple) haze? at 17 to 24 weeks, there's no fucking way it could suck! LOL
DNA sweet haze isn't shabby for 9 weeks, but it gets it's bitch factor out in stretch
high quality seeds' haze x skunk super potent and long lasting, never stony, moderate psychoactivity and strong meds and motivation at 12 weeks. helped me kick rot gut just like that & lose weight. it's dirt cheap and blunt lovers would dig the cheesy flavor. i can't comment on sativa seeds' version, but it at least looked more sativa
+REP for the 14 weeks plus thing!
highland thai? uppity hermie bitch, but at least tasty
malawi gold? much more co-operative and faster flipping... requires a full test
columbian gold? on my gage green wishlist!
oldtimer's (purple) haze? at 17 to 24 weeks, there's no fucking way it could suck! LOL
DNA sweet haze isn't shabby for 9 weeks, but it gets it's bitch factor out in stretch
high quality seeds' haze x skunk super potent and long lasting, never stony, moderate psychoactivity and strong meds and motivation at 12 weeks. helped me kick rot gut just like that & lose weight. it's dirt cheap and blunt lovers would dig the cheesy flavor. i can't comment on sativa seeds' version, but it at least looked more sativa
Vincent VonBlown
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The only way to breed is from your results. You can guess a male might be this or that from what you see. But the proof is always in the pudding.
ProfessorPotSnob
New Member
There might be a very logical reason for this male being ahead of the rest .. Being a new grower it makes a vet wonder ... Best of luck with your endeavors
The Yorkshireman
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Actually no mate, early flowering males are BAD because they carry dominant male genetic traits like hermaphroditism and fibre production.
If you want a faster maturing strain then selectively breed towards that goal using progressively earlier finishing females, NOT males.
1)Males that autoflower regardless of daylight hours are culled to insure against hermaphroditism or unwanted male traits.
2) Males that show sex first, flower too quickly or too tall are also eliminated because they put too much energy into fibre production..
3) Males that have a large hollow main stem rather than more pith filled stems are better THC producers.
4) Males that produce tight,compact floral clusters rather than sparse airy ones are also usually better to breed with.
5) If you rub your fingers up and down the stem of a young male and get strong aromas (terpines) then you would be advised to use these as trichome production and flavour are directly related to plants that produce odours early on.
There are a couple more traits to look for like early trich production in veg but these are quite advanced and need microscope help which is not really relevant for a hobby breeder.
After you have exhausted this list first then aesthetic phenotypical differences like size/shape/colours come into play.
Good luck in your endeavours.
tricloud
New Member
I don't think it's correct to stereotype all early flowering males into the hemp or non potent category. I have seen early flowering males that exhibit many of the traits that are listed in this thread as hints of potency. I have seen early flowering males with very hollow stems and produced tight flower clusters that smelled very strong on a stem rub. I've also made seeds with early males that produced plants that came out quite potent.
I have also found it to be that the males from the present generation often pass their traits to the female plants of the next generation. Tight nodes, branch length, smell, etc. Like somebody mentioned, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
I have also found it to be that the males from the present generation often pass their traits to the female plants of the next generation. Tight nodes, branch length, smell, etc. Like somebody mentioned, it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
The Yorkshireman
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1) I didn't stereotype.
2) I didn't say "hemp or non potent" I said "put too much energy into fibre production", please read what the post says not what you THINK it says.
3) There is no hint to potency in any of my posts, EVER. As potency (in reference to cannabis outside a lab environment) is subjective and can't be defined universally the term has no use.
An MSc in biology and over 20 years in commercial breeding advises, if you want the BEST POSSIBLE starting point for your stock (and if not why bother?) without a lab or having to study the progeny (needing massive amounts of space and time) then it's in your best interests to start the selection based on botanical fact, phenotypical differences which can be entirely subjective to the growing environment should be taken into consideration last.
Failure to fundamentally understand and the blatant abuse of rules 1 and 2 are the cause of more hermie and unstable shite being on the commercial market than the cause needs forever more.
