will medical cannabis lose momentum ???

I'd trust a stoned driver over a drunk driver almost every time.

torontoke said:

So u believe that once legalized there’s a bunch of people that have been patiently waiting for legalization to get stoned and drive?
It’s a stupid argument the impairment angle.
People that get stoned and drive are already doing it. Not to mention the how stoned are they breathalyzer Is never gonna he made or stand up in court.

And why would med pot pave the way for complete legalization and then get cancelled? If everyone and their dog can grow 4 plants how could they argue a drs opinion that u need more? And argue to who?med pot has already won in every level of court. That ls the only reason even patients can grow let alone rec smokers

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Not at all but I recognise that a lot of people do have irrational fears & sadly gov doesn't base their policy on logic but the will of the people. In this case that's walking a tightrope to enact the will of the majority (legalisation) without appearing to be tolerant of crime to the vocal minority. To me that explains the problems simply, moreso then a conspiracy to create a monopoly & further criminalise pot.

I don't think med pot will be cancelled, don't know where those comments are coming from. I think the gov will probably try to get rid of them in 5 years when they review the laws but I'll be surprised if they manage to.

gb123 said:

you sound like someone who has a vested interest in this new BS deal

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Yeo, you've made that paranoid accusation before because you disagree with me. That's laughable but have fun in your delusions.

The Hippy said:

I'd trust a stoned driver over a drunk driver almost every time.

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I completely agree but I've also been stoned enough where I definitely shouldn't be driving. They should have been more proactive, had the studies showing how it's a minor issue compared to alcohol. They should have had someway to satisfy police, educating the public seems basic & all sorts of other issues. Being afraid that it's an attempt to subvert the medical movement, shut down home growing & create a monopoly seems convoluted & based on personal fears.

I've never known anyone who had an accident as a result of consuming cannabis alone. Plenty of booze mishaps but weed alone...zilch.
Even when we were young, smoking weed was never a driving issue.
Can't say it couldn't happen but I don't know of it.

P.S.
The amount of idiots operating a motor vehicle stoned or not ...drunk or not...is already pathetic.
I suggest most accidents are caused by driving incompetence and fools who can't drive straight even.

Somatek said:

Not at all but I recognise that a lot of people do have irrational fears & sadly gov doesn't base their policy on logic but the will of the people. In this case that's walking a tightrope to enact the will of the majority (legalisation) without appearing to be tolerant of crime to the vocal minority. To me that explains the problems simply, moreso then a conspiracy to create a monopoly & further criminalise pot.

I don't think med pot will be cancelled, don't know where those comments are coming from. I think the gov will probably try to get rid of them in 5 years when they review the laws but I'll be surprised if they manage to.

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The problem is that there is no medical threshold to quantify when any/everyone is “impaired”
With everyone having different receptors and tolerances a breathalyzer or testing device is impossible without deeming all mj users unable to drive ever.
The financial ramifications of deeming every pot patient catastrophic and unable to drive would be insane.

And the medpot cancellation is to the op of the thread and the original question being asked
Medical cannabis can’t lose momentum since it’s already reached the point of legal rec. once it’s ok for everyone half their arguments disappear and shortly after the opposition will diminish or focus on spending their blood money.

The Hippy said:

P.S.
The amount of idiots operating a motor vehicle stoned or not ...drunk or not...is already pathetic.
I suggest most accidents are caused by driving incompetence and fools who can't drive straight even.

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Lol I'm all for regulating incompetence but I don't know if it'll get much traction. It is definitely a scapegoat & pointless distraction, that seems par for the course for most gov policy though

You hit the nail on the head Torontoke, they should have had a strategy & studies to back their original position instead of letting a minority of senators dictate the public conversation by perpetuating fear mongering. Gov incompetence at work for the tax payers.

Sorry for assuming the med comment had anything to do with me.

We need better actual road testing or something. Most folks get the rules ok I assume. But many folks just lack any natural ability to handle a motorized anything.
How we fix that ...I dunno.

torontoke said:

And why would med pot pave the way for complete legalization and then get cancelled? If everyone and their dog can grow 4 plants how could they argue a drs opinion that u need more? And argue to who?med pot has already won in every level of court. That ls the only reason even patients can grow let alone rec smokers

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The doctors want out of the loop and if they stop signing for patients how do we keep medical status?

They say once it's 'legal' there is no need for them as the sick can just go buy their schwag at the gov't store like the rest of the stoners.

Be up to the illegal pot clinics to keep ripping people off and sending them to whatever LP is kicking back to them.

Somatek said:

You hit the nail on the head Torontoke, they should have had a strategy & studies to back their original position instead of letting a minority of senators dictate the public conversation by perpetuating fear mongering. Gov incompetence at work for the tax payers.

Sorry for assuming the med comment had anything to do with me.

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They do have a strategy and studies...
Your missing part of the point.
People been getting high and driving since the invention of the automobile.
An impaired driver is easy to spot. Regardless what they are impaired by they should be pulled over and checked.
I would even go so far as to suggest that elderly people often give the impression of impairment by their driving habits hopefully they develope a breathalyzer for that. I bet older folks losing their eye sight or mind cause more accidents but now I’m guessing like them.
All the talk of no study drive me insane.
Like people haven’t been using mj since the beginning yet it’s still mysterious in some way.

OldMedUser said:

The doctors want out of the loop and if they stop signing for patients how do we keep medical status?

They say once it's 'legal' there is no need for them as the sick can just go buy their schwag at the gov't store like the rest of the stoners.

Be up to the illegal pot clinics to keep ripping people off and sending them to whatever LP is kicking back to them.

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Why would your dr stop signing tho
If the patient is using more then a gram a day the courts already decided the 4 plant limit wouldn’t be enough so there’s the court argument all over again.
I’m sure everyone except growers are all for shutting down gardens and forcing people to the lcmjbo whatever they are but if it comes to that I’m confident once again the people will fight.

I hope anyway

torontoke said:

They do have a strategy and studies...
Your missing part of the point.
People been getting high and driving since the invention of the automobile.
An impaired driver is easy to spot. Regardless what they are impaired by they should be pulled over and checked.
I would even go so far as to suggest that elderly people often give the impression of impairment by their driving habits hopefully they develope a breathalyzer for that. I bet older folks losing their eye sight or mind cause more accidents but now I’m guessing like them.
All the talk of no study drive me insane.
Like people haven’t been using mj since the beginning yet it’s still mysterious in some way.

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I know the studies exist but the gov wasn't prepared, when the issue was debated they didn't present a strong enough argument for a better law. That's what I meant by they lacked a strategy (to sell it to the public) and the studies to back it up.

So are you arguing the whether someone is impaired should be left solely to the cops discretion? That seems like a much worse system that'd be prone to abuse. I agree that there should be stricter testing for old people because I agree that they're as big if not a bigger liability. There still needs to be some standard for deciding what's too intoxicated for the average driver. Obviously it'll be too low for some, probably too high for others but that's the same as alcohol blood limits. I use to work with a forklift driver that was a chronic drunk & a was a safer drivers with low levels of booze in him. We can't base laws on individuals ability to handle intoxication for that reason, it'd be too convoluted. At the same time people that can handle their pot probably won't have a problem or get stopped in the first place. Just like they aren't now.

He is saying that if a cop cannot see outright that a person is impaired by using a few simple tests..???!!!!

That they dont need a magical tool to tell them something that can be easily seen by any normal person with a set of eyes,.


The rest is complete utter bullshit and nothing driving wise is any different than it is now..
Sure there will be the odd fool.
.there's always a few.. Look around this site


arguing about shit that will happen but is the same way it is now, is funnier than shit really.

ps there's no argument.. The feds are fucked with their new deal...and its funny to watch it NOT GO!