Why You Don't Need Super soil (video)

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
I was too medicated when I made this...lol...I pronounced humus wrong the first time...I had just watered and you can see a power cord for an outtake fan for the carbon filter, just carelessy unplugged and tossed in a water puddle. A wrench, and some fan pieces on the floor...it's a stoner's game of Clue!

Y'all feel me tho haha

 

calliandra

Well-Known Member
Haha good one :bigjoint:
I didn't get the part with the nitrification inhibitor, can you write that out?

I love mulch too and keep catching myself chucking stuff onto my soil tho I've sworn to stop at least until I get rid of the fungus gnat infestation I have in my closet - just feels so naked without!

Cheers!
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Haha good one :bigjoint:
I didn't get the part with the nitrification inhibitor, can you write that out?

I love mulch too and keep catching myself chucking stuff onto my soil tho I've sworn to stop at least until I get rid of the fungus gnat infestation I have in my closet - just feels so naked without!

Cheers!
Nitrogen turns into a gas as it breaks down, leaving the soil in the process. Neem cake as a nitrification inhibitor stops or at least slows this from happening. This allows the nitrogen to stay in the soil for longer periods of time where it can be turned into nitrates and get absorbed by the plant!

Good luck with the gnats!
 

calliandra

Well-Known Member
Nitrogen turns into a gas as it breaks down, leaving the soil in the process. Neem cake as a nitrification inhibitor stops or at least slows this from happening. This allows the nitrogen to stay in the soil for longer periods of time where it can be turned into nitrates and get absorbed by the plant!

Good luck with the gnats!
Ah cool! Another characteristic of neem I didn't know about - thanks :bigjoint:
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
The problem I have with Neem in my soil - Is the well known antibiotic/anti-fungal properties.

I would love to see an in-depth study on living bio counts in soils that employed neem cake......YET, it does appear to not, have too great an affect on the soils bio's.....

Just wondering and throwing in my 2 cents
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
The problem I have with Neem in my soil - Is the well known antibiotic/anti-fungal properties.

I would love to see an in-depth study on living bio counts in soils that employed neem cake......YET, it does appear to not, have too great an affect on the soils bio's.....

Just wondering and throwing in my 2 cents
You make a good point sir. I had not considered that aspect. I know it's fungal controlling properties in foliar applications...I just didn't take the time to consider it might be the same in the soil. Ill keep an eye out and see if I get any fungal growth underneath my mulch.
 

DonBrennon

Well-Known Member
The meal is a by product of the oil extraction, I'd imagine that the concentrated antifungal compounds go into the oil. I topdressed a plant once with neem meal and couldn't reach the plant to mix it into the soil, you should have seen the fungal web that grew on top of that pot. In my experience fungus loves neem meal..................
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
The meal is a by product of the oil extraction, I'd imagine that the concentrated antifungal compounds go into the oil. I topdressed a plant once with neem meal and couldn't reach the plant to mix it into the soil, you should have seen the fungal web that grew on top of that pot. In my experience fungus loves neem meal..................
Good to know! I've used it for a few grows now and I haven't noticed anything but positives but I wasn't looking for this certain set of negatives. I think you're probably right about the oil though.
 

platt

Well-Known Member
Yeah there are many ways in which we can open the niche for other fungus, if we have penalties like a poor laminar airflow, we ll crash soon with this issues which is pretty desirable for our learning curves imo.
The more easy to understand is the typical foliar douche in mid flowering: no matter what we read in advance..it never will be less than 1 gallon per square meter...aand It will drip & harass the balance of your soil, oh ye

the fix at my location is a simple water sludge with fresh peat based substrate! and the cutting edge fix could be sprinkling a bit of micronized gypsum prior the sludge fix
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Yeah there are many ways in which we can open the niche for other fungus, if we have penalties like a poor laminar airflow, we ll crash soon with this issues which is pretty desirable for our learning curves imo.
The more easy to understand is the typical foliar douche in mid flowering: no matter what we read in advance..it never will be less than 1 gallon per square meter...aand It will drip & harass the balance of your soil, oh ye

the fix at my location is a simple water sludge with fresh peat based substrate! and the cutting edge fix could be sprinkling a bit of micronized gypsum prior the sludge fix
I'm a little confused about what you're saying friend!
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
The meal is a by product of the oil extraction, I'd imagine that the concentrated antifungal compounds go into the oil. I topdressed a plant once with neem meal and couldn't reach the plant to mix it into the soil, you should have seen the fungal web that grew on top of that pot. In my experience fungus loves neem meal..................
Nice! I always wondered......I may play with some in an upcoming soil build, just to see (translation - actually pay attention to it).

:bigjoint:
 

platt

Well-Known Member
I'm a little confused about what you're saying friend!
stupid translator^ it was the translator not me^^

Was an answer for DBrennon. The antifungal properties of neem cake looks strain specific according to his observations on the top layer of his soil. While the neem cake can decimate some fungus therefore opening a niche for other oportunistic fungus..it can also attract N loving fungus that can thrive over the neem cake itself.
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Nice! I always wondered......I may play with some in an upcoming soil build, just to see (translation - actually pay attention to it).

:bigjoint:
I'm a fan of it! My clones could get pretty sour looking from sitting in their first pots waiting to go to someone else's grow or to mine if I'm not ready. Unless I would fertilize them more than once (and economically, with clones im gonna sell, that's not ideal), however; since I started top dressing with a little bit of Neem I don't have to. They stay lush and green for weeks (until root bound symptoms show up).

I've heard it can slow seed germination though so if you start from seed I would save it for a top dressing once you've got a nice baby to veg.
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
stupid translator^ it was the translator not me^^

Was an answer for DBrennon. The antifungal properties of neem cake looks strain specific according to his observations on the top layer of his soil. While the neem cake can decimate some fungus therefore opening a niche for other oportunistic fungus..it can also attract N loving fungus that can thrive over the neem cake itself.
Word! Thanks for the info!
 

Dr. Who

Well-Known Member
I'm a fan of it! My clones could get pretty sour looking from sitting in their first pots waiting to go to someone else's grow or to mine if I'm not ready. Unless I would fertilize them more than once (and economically, with clones im gonna sell, that's not ideal), however; since I started top dressing with a little bit of Neem I don't have to. They stay lush and green for weeks (until root bound symptoms show up).

I've heard it can slow seed germination though so if you start from seed I would save it for a top dressing once you've got a nice baby to veg.
Hmm, interesting!

I have folks send me a clone shipper and I simply place the clone in it's first 30 day and feed soil for the soil guys. Hydro guys get the clone carefully put in wet Coco and some EWC mixed in (the mix just falls away when they remove it).. Then ship them back.



When the little batteries run out. Simply peel back the paper and the circuit board is on that. Remeve and replace the batteries and rubber cement the paper back to the padded ring.

Some of us who trade things back and forth simply send to "friends" and they ship one back to you in their own.....LOVE the little suckers!
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
Hmm, interesting!

I have folks send me a clone shipper and I simply place the clone in it's first 30 day and feed soil for the soil guys. Hydro guys get the clone carefully put in wet Coco and some EWC mixed in (the mix just falls away when they remove it).. Then ship them back.



When the little batteries run out. Simply peel back the paper and the circuit board is on that. Remeve and replace the batteries and rubber cement the paper back to the padded ring.

Some of us who trade things back and forth simply send to "friends" and they ship one back to you in their own.....LOVE the little suckers!
Pretty cool! I've heard about those but I haven't looked them up yet. My clones just get planted in a peat/perlite/compost mix. Feeds em fine for about a week and a half, but you can see em hungering for some more nitrogen and magnesium(occassionaly) after that. But its not an issue anymore.
 
This is great, good mix you got going there. It's all about getting the right soil structure, adding biology, and let the process manage itself!

Do you do any biological assessments on your soil?
 

Rasta Roy

Well-Known Member
This is great, good mix you got going there. It's all about getting the right soil structure, adding biology, and let the process manage itself!

Do you do any biological assessments on your soil?
I get my soil tested at the end of each run typically, Ive missed sending in a couple samples here and there though...I juggle a lot of work and some stuff slips through the cracks here and there. I'm not sure that's the same as a biological assessment tho. I try to do everything I can to get the soil biology popping! I can't remember if I talk about it in the video (pretty sure I don't) but I also add a home made lactobacillus and BIM.
 
Top