Why so many hermies

One of my buddies is having a serious problem with Hermies. He started with 18 plants total under an 800w dual (2) 400w (MH and HPS) Hes growing in 1.5 gallon 6" Diameter 12" deep containers, He ended up with 9 fems, 5 of which have grown buds and balls, What are the odds, None are the same strain they are all RANDOM bagseed from many different bags.

They are beautiful plants no signs of stress, or deficiencies. He had a night when his heater shut off and it was just under 60 f for a few hours, and also a time when his heater didnt shut off when the lights came on and it was like 120f , Other than that everything has been perfect??????

Of course he didnt catch them in time so the whole crop is polinated, Hes disapointed to say the least. Would just 2 bad temperature days have caused this? Could it be the size of the containers? Would being rootbound cause this?

atombomb said:

One of my buddies is having a serious problem with Hermies. He started with 18 plants total under an 800w dual (2) 400w (MH and HPS) Hes growing in 1.5 gallon 6" Diameter 12" deep containers, He ended up with 9 fems, 5 of which have grown buds and balls, What are the odds, None are the same strain they are all RANDOM bagseed from many different bags.

They are beautiful plants no signs of stress, or deficiencies. He had a night when his heater shut off and it was just under 60 f for a few hours, and also a time when his heater didnt shut off when the lights came on and it was like 120f , Other than that everything has been perfect??????

Of course he didnt catch them in time so the whole crop is polinated, Hes disapointed to say the least. Would just 2 bad temperature days have caused this? Could it be the size of the containers? Would being rootbound cause this?

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Ive only bred my own seeds once & am still learning about breeding so take this with a grain of salt,it stands to reason that a seed that comes from random bag seed,from buds that are 99.9% seedless buds that the seed would carry the hermie traight,from what i understand alot of bag seed comes from late blooming hermies,this is why there are so few seeds in good bag weed,only very random seeds.

Or he could just have shit luck & got seeds from strains that are prone to drop hermies,i have a strain of big bud that loves to pop out hermies that im phasing out for that very reason,huge ass buds but way too much work checking for hermies all the time.

all i have is bagseeds and i haven't seen a herm yet.......

ive just had to remove my largest best looking healthy feminised (supposedly) plant out of my 12/12 tent as it went hermie i think its down to the genetics of the strain some plants will self pollenate to ensure survival. some will term herm if the plant has been stressed by any number of things usually light changes. its a shitter but what can you do..

attack of the clones!!!!

my friend you are saying that drop in heat and rise in heat wouldn stress them? that is very stressful to them. Have they been completely shut off
frome the light on the dark cycle though cause this tends to be one of the biggest factors of making the dreaded hermies!!

Thats real sad. I haven't had any experience with hermies (as of yet)
I would love to learn and see more inputs on this thread.

white widow rules said:

my friend you are saying that drop in heat and rise in heat wouldn stress them? that is very stressful to them. Have they been completely shut off
frome the light on the dark cycle though cause this tends to be one of the biggest factors of making the dreaded hermies!!

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I dont know how much faith i put in the whole plant stressing issue when it comes to causing hermies,stress is blamed for every condition in sight,ive tried hard as hell to make a plant go hermie from stress,ive fucked with the light cycles to the extreme,screwed up watering & feeding,have taken a plant from a 75 degree room directly to 50 degree night air then back to 75 degrees in the room,had plants experience high 90 degree temps,ive beat plants to near death trying to cause a hermie & not once have i been able to stress a plant till it went hermie,ive caused serious damage to plants trying to accomplish this & still no hermies.

Im not saying your not right because this is an area that nobody has hard nailed information on this based on scientific study but i am saying that i think stress gets blamed for most of what we do not understand concerning hermaphroditisim.

you reckon its pure genetics panhead? or a combo of the strain needing to be prone to hermie and then the conditions being right like screwing with the lights etc ?

I would say its more genitics then anything. Like panhead said, I've had some horrible things happen to my plants over the years and they didnt turn out hermie.

In this day and age where money rules the world, you have ppl trying to capitalize and just breed for seed! Kinda like jurassic park!! Thats why I tend to stick to serious seeds brand cuz #1 they are DANK and #2 they have a well developed system that produces awesome strains. You get what you pay for

Don Gin and Ton said:

you reckon its pure genetics panhead? or a combo of the strain needing to be prone to hermie and then the conditions being right like screwing with the lights etc ?

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I dont put much stock in lighting causing hermies,i mean the normal "uhoh i screwed up my lighting for 2 days" kinda thing,fuk,we've all done stuff like that for one reason or another.

In the post above boneman touches on a good subject which is the genetics of a strain,im near positive that genetics plays the largest role in hermies over any other reason,ive got a strain of bug bud that pops out a few hermies every last grow,i push all my strains up till the trichs are mostly amber so i thought i might be causing the hermies from allowing the plants to push past the optimum harvest window,i do not get hermies as a rule in my skunk strain or the critically smashed strains i grow & i allow them to flower until most the trichs are honey colored as well.

The more i read others experiences with big bud & hermies the more i doubt i even play any role at all,ive read countless threads on the net where guys complain of a high rate of hermies late in the grow,it seems that some breeders strains are more stable strains than other breeders running the same strain.

When you think about how a bag seed got in the bud to start with it has to lead to a hermie somewhere,a bud pollinated by a male plant early in the grow will be seedy as fuk if not all seeds,the earlier the pollination takes place the more seeds the buds have,how would a bud that came from an ounce bag have only one seed in the whole bag of buds if it was pollinated from a male ?,the bag would be loaded with seeds,unless the bag the seed came from was a mess of buds loaded wqith seeds i have to believe that most bag seed comes from hermie genetics.

My money is on genetics & the stability of the strain,its exactly like boneman said where some breeders have more stable strains over other breeders with the same strain.

totally! sound reasoning panhead.

Thanks for the props Panhead

I tried to give you a +rep but I must have already done it lately. Thanks again

~Boneman

Thank you fellas for all the great responses,Its hard to think it's JUST genetics strictly because the seeds came from several different bags. None are a known strain and, none are the same. How could he have so many?? I have had one, in the 7 plants that I have grown, He gets damn near 50%. That seems like it should point to something other than just genetics. What else is thought or theorized to cause a plant to hermie, other than Genes?

any kind of stress on the plant is bad during flowering... like messing with the light schedule. forgeting to water, etc.

is it possible one actually wasnt a hermie but a male? n pollenated the rest?

All of them have female flowers, 4 of them have female flowers and big HUGE BALLS, at this point hes just catching what he can and is growing them all out. They are all pollinated, even the 5 pure females, as far as as I know males dont produce female flowers, so I think its just shitty luck. Oh well, heres to smokin seedy bud!!!!!!