Why seedlings stretch

mogie

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Seedlings stretch due to the influence various factors. In other words the way the genotype is expressed is determined by the biotic and abiotic factors affecting its growth. The site where the plants are grown may be conducive to stretching due to a nutrient deficiency or other factors like temperature or day length.

The source of the seed is also important. If the environment that the plants were from originally was consistant from year to year (for instance, indoors) and/or encouraged stretchy plants (crowding), natural selection may have passed on the trait for stretchy plants. If the seeds were from hybrid plants that were crossed "Willy-nilly" the variation of the offspring will blur the distiction of phenotypes.

When plants stretch due to competition for light, this is known as the "shade avoidance response phenotype" (SARP). The light reflected off of other plants has less red in it because the leaves of the other plants absorbed it already. This is how the plant knows how close it is to its neighbors. When there is less red, the plant stretches so it can compete better for the light. HPS lights are high in red spectrum, so plants grown under them stretch less.

Plants match their phenotype with the environment, but this can depend on other factors. Temperature and photoperiod can affect the response to red light by limiting which phenotypes are expressed. Higher temperatures, shorter photoperiods and dense planting make the plant more sensitive in its response to the amount of red.

The SARP is really an interaction between abiotic factors and the quality of light. The size of a plant that has stretched may be larger than a plant grown under a full spectrum, but overall yield will be less. A plant grown under a short photoperiod is more sensitive to red, but a plant with a long photoperiod period will stretch regardless of the spectrum because it has time to make a longer stem. In fact under longer photoperiods, the plants become less sensitive to red because seedling elongation affects the health of the adult plant.

The seedling is aware of it surroundings. The SARP isn't affected by photoperiod in a seedling because the seedling has to be aware of the density of the population, but if the day-length is short enough to induce flowering, then they will stretch. An elongated plant costs more to grow because your growing more stem and less bud. So under conditions of dense planting the temp and the photoperiod determne how close to plant to minimize stretching.
 
Great post mogie. So you're saying hps is actually better for freshly sprouted seedlings?

I'm asking as i recently extended my veg' area to germinate some seeds. I also have 6 grapefruit in a bubbler system that have been vegging for 3 weeks. So I took the blue bulb from them and gave it to the seedlings. The bubblers now have a hps bulb.

So from what I've read. Plants in the veg stage use more blue at third and fourth week of veg, and seedlings prefer red. So it looks like I've swapped at the wrong time. They are also on two different levels, so the seedlings may get a touch of the red, but not much.

I could always put them into a dark period and swap the bulbs... it's just my instincts are telling me otherwise. ooops, gotta go... baby demands it!
 
I always put my sprouts under my hps until I got my t5's. They seemed to love it I just adjusted the height. Never had a problem. Have had more of a problem under the t5's but that could always be chalked up to other factors too.
 
wow mogie! lots and lots of great info last couple of days anymore i just check ur theads then i dont have to ask any questions
 
Skunkushybrid, dude....don't forget to keep an eye on your temps.
While you may want a sligtly lower temp to try to shoot for more females, your night and day temps is what I am referring to, a difference of more than 12 degrees will increase stretching too.
Peace
 
Skunkushybrid, dude....don't forget to keep an eye on your temps.
While you may want a sligtly lower temp to try to shoot for more females, your night and day temps is what I am referring to, a difference of more than 12 degrees will increase stretching too.
Peace

Thanks mate, but I've got it covered. My veg' area is on 24 hour. Although I'm going 18/6 as of tomorrow. Although, again this dark period will be during my day so there shouldn't be much of a shift. Maybe 8f max.

Also, I'm not too bothered about shooting for more fem's, there's only 5 of them and I only need one mother plant. I've picked her out already. damn and blast! The batteries in my camera have run out. I'll take a pic of them tomorrow to show you what I mean. Even after only their first set of tiny leaves I believe I have picked both the alpha male and the alpha female. I've always managed to pick what will be a good mother very, very early.

Thanks for the advice video, although I didn't need it this time doesn't mean I won't the next. Cheers mate!
 
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