Why marijuana legalization will likely include bans on home grows

gb123

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lol

n Monday, a Senate committee passed an amendment to federal marijuana legalization laws allowing provinces to ban home grows if they want to.

The change amounts to a Liberal surrender on an issue that seemed to be headed to a courtroom battle with Quebec, which will ban residents from growing their own pot when it’s legal.


Manitoba has also said it will ban home grows. But the most visible and dramatic confrontation on the issue had been between Ottawa and Quebec.


The amendment was supported by Sen. Tony Dean, the bill’s sponsor in the Senate, which implies government support. It still has to pass the full Senate and go back to the Commons, but the government seems to have signalled a decision.

“There’s a pretty decent chance that this proposed amendment is going to make its way into law,” says Ottawa lawyer Trina Fraser. “This is something that Quebec and Manitoba residents are going to have to live with, at least for some period of time. It becomes more of a provincial political issue than anything else.”

In general, Canadians will be able to grow up to four recreational marijuana plants per household after legalization. Some provinces have imposed their own rules — Alberta, for example, won’t allow marijuana growing outdoors, and New Brunswick will only allow it indoors, in a separate locked space.

WATCH: The association that represents B.C. landlords is sounding the alarm over the coming legalization of marijuana. They’re worried about people growing pot plants in rental units. Catherine Urquhart has the story.


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But Manitoba and Quebec’s laws raised the issue of whether regulation could go as far as banning home grows entirely.

In February, Quebec issued a blunt challenge to Ottawa on the issue, saying that its home-grow ban was within its powers and that the province would defend it in court.

“We are going to affirm our jurisdiction … and four years, three years, two years, one year, six months before an election, we are going to do that,” Quebec cabinet minister Jean-Marc Fournier said.

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At the time, federal Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould said that “there are limits” to the restrictions provinces can place on marijuana use, and in the event of a showdown in court “federal law would prevail.”

Legal experts Global News spoke to tended to agree.

A legal rule called “federal paramountcy” kicks in when there is a direct conflict between federal and provincial law: the provincial law will be declared void, to the extent of the conflict.

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A document about cannabis legalization published last May by the federal justice department stated a clear position that provinces can regulate home grows but not actually ban them:

“A lower plant limit may be set in provincial legislation that is consistent with the federal objectives and allows for dual compliance with both provincial and federal limits, however a complete provincial prohibition on personal cultivation could be seen as frustrating the federal objective and thus be deemed inoperable.”

“This appears to be a fairly clear staking-out of turf,” Archie Kaiser of the Dalhousie University law school said at the time.

“I think that’s a problem for the province that would seek to ban personal cultivation.”

READ MORE: One-metre plant height restriction dropped from marijuana legalization bill

WATCH: The Liberals said Monday that Colorado law enforcement offered tips for how Bill C-45 could curb a flourishing black market for marijuana ahead of legalization.


However, the new amendment leaves people charged for growing pot in Quebec and Manitoba with no basis for saying that the province is going beyond its authority.

“There are lots of very strong opinions on this topic. Law enforcement doesn’t like it, real estate associations don’t like it, landlords don’t like it – there are lots of people who are just worried about this, and then there are people who believe that this is not real legalization if you can’t even grow a few plants in your house,” Fraser says.

But she sees the concern as overblown.

“I don’t think we’ll have hundreds of thousands of mouldy houses and electrical fires across the country. There aren’t going to be that many people who would choose to go to the trouble of cultivating, especially indoors. Putting a couple of plants in your garden is one thing, but it’s an undertaking to grow these plants in your house.”

“I don’t think a lot of people will bother doing it. To the extent that they do, I don’t think it’s that big a deal.”

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The Hippy

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They're biggest concern is how to funnel the riches into their own pockets....too funny blair......you're gonna need a swab for your bleeding ass soon enough.
Most disgusting human garbage these " non cannabis " fuck wads are.
They sit there discussing a subject they have maybe 10% percent knowledge of.
Jodie knows more than all of them put together.
Remember to keep on BOYCOTTING trudys grand plan to make weed his own.
He's and the rest are a disgusting buncha drunks. I'd shut the fucking place up after 2 minutes with them all. Pointing out how they are SO concerned with the harmful effects of weed while they drive by the Gov approved booze profit making stores. " Are you fuckin blind " I'd ask.
I'd rip a hole in their talk with some real honest talk about they're own behavior and faults.
I've fuckin had it with these booze blind jerks. A complete society plagued with alcohol problems and they think weed is a bigger deal. WTF.
 

The Hippy

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I've been saying it for 2 years now....if you drink...even a little....you got zero to say about cannabis......period.
The only folks I'd give any ear to is a real abstainer. I'd listen to their rights because they actually believe in neither. But if you use alcohol AT ALL....shut the fuck up.
If there's no ban on booze ( which I enjoy here or there ) then get lost with The Peoples Plant.
Misguided fools.
 

gb123

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If the new premier of ON trys to ban Rec grows, that new Gov will be in meltdown mode from the start. ON is not Quebec or Manitoba, and we won’t stand for that shit. Ontarian’s are expecting 4 Rec plants, and they’re gonna grow them this year no matter what the Province says.
as we used to say...Like we were taught by da gangstars as wee kids....:-P


it' s just a technicality :lol:
Grow em Up FOLKS!
 

CalyxCrusher

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If the new premier of ON trys to ban Rec grows, that new Gov will be in meltdown mode from the start. ON is not Quebec or Manitoba, and we won’t stand for that shit. Ontarian’s are expecting 4 Rec plants, and they’re gonna grow them this year no matter what the Province says.
If the NDP wins and we become a sanctuary province, we'll have way BIGGER issues to worry about
 

Somatek

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If the new premier of ON trys to ban Rec grows, that new Gov will be in meltdown mode from the start. ON is not Quebec or Manitoba, and we won’t stand for that shit. Ontarian’s are expecting 4 Rec plants, and they’re gonna grow them this year no matter what the Province says.
Has any party even suggested this? I follow the election & haven't heard any say they'd even consider it.
 

legalcanada

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Manitoba has had a great bunch of under ground growers for years and with this bs legalization for the rich elite politicians I guess it will be business as usual
yeah these fucking crooks in MB are trying to make their buddies rich... cronyism and nepotism etc it's all a bunch of bullshit.. i'm going to be standing out front of the stores in winnipeg handing out medical cannabis applications, pamphlets and leaflets explaining the MANY benefits of growing your own and the CONs of the LP system, and free fucking seeds

If the new premier of ON trys to ban Rec grows, that new Gov will be in meltdown mode from the start. ON is not Quebec or Manitoba, and we won’t stand for that shit. Ontarian’s are expecting 4 Rec plants, and they’re gonna grow them this year no matter what the Province says.
i'm sure the conservatives will ban growing in ON if they get elected..

honestly cannabis legalization is a non issue for me, i'm medically legal so i would honestly rather rec legalization didn't go through... at least not the current proposed system... the only election issue that matters to me is i will never support any candidate which unconditionally supports apartheid israeli in the commission of war crimes and genocide. for all trudeaus shortcomings at least he had the balls to demand an investigation in to the many humans rights abuses and war crimes being committed by apartheid israel.
 

Somatek

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Drug Ford wanted a more progressive distribution system then either then libs or NDP (not as good as the green). I doubt he'd make it illegal, he has history going back to slinging hash in highschool. Not that I support or endorse the PC in anyway or suggest anyone vote for them.

Fully agree about the need for stronger action to create peace is the middle east. As much as I disagree with trudeau, calling for an inquiry into the recent violence was the right move. Too bad his initial statement was supportive until the news of the Canadian doc being shot by snipers came out.
 

TheRealDman

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yeah these fucking crooks in MB are trying to make their buddies rich... cronyism and nepotism etc it's all a bunch of bullshit.. i'm going to be standing out front of the stores in winnipeg handing out medical cannabis applications, pamphlets and leaflets explaining the MANY benefits of growing your own and the CONs of the LP system, and free fucking seeds


i'm sure the conservatives will ban growing in ON if they get elected..

honestly cannabis legalization is a non issue for me, i'm medically legal so i would honestly rather rec legalization didn't go through... at least not the current proposed system... the only election issue that matters to me is i will never support any candidate which unconditionally supports apartheid israeli in the commission of war crimes and genocide. for all trudeaus shortcomings at least he had the balls to demand an investigation in to the many humans rights abuses and war crimes being committed by apartheid israel.
Just playing devils advocate here...I wonder if you’d think the same way if your neighbors wanted your race/religion wiped off the face of the planet, and would do so in heartbeat if you didn’t have a bigger stick? What if a rocket landed on your kids school, or in your own backyard by those same neighbours? Is it a war crime to protect your family or citizens for that matter at the state level? Does it matter what your weapon of choice is in doing so? Because your weapons are bigger and better, you should let your neighbors harm your family because the conflict would put your neighbors at a disadvantage? And, if I do use my much better weapons of defence, I should be considered a war criminal? Two sides to every coin...don’t get sucked into what the main stream media wants.
 
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Somatek

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Just playing devils advocate here...I wonder if you’d think the same way if your neighbors wanted your race/religion wiped off the face of the planet, and would do so in heartbeat if you didn’t have a bigger stick? What if a rocket landed on your kids school, or in your own backyard by those same neighbours? Is it a war crime to protect your family or citizens for that matter at the state level? Does it matter what your weapon of choice is in doing so? Because your weapons are bigger and better, you should let your neighbors harm your family because the conflict would put your neighbors at a disadvantage? And, if I do use my much better weapons of defence, I should be considered a war criminal? Two sides to every coin...don’t get sucked into what the main stream media wants.
I use to think that way until I dated a Jewish women that lived in Israel as a settler in the west bank. After having experienced the violence first hand & seeing a friend blown up on a bus by terrorists she became an activist to end Palestinian apartheid. Last I talked with her she was making a documentary about the myth is Israel's creation/6 day war.

It's often lost in the media but the majority of both Israelis & Palestinians want peace & don't support either govs action.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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I work for a Jewish organization - more accurately, a youth-led Israel social justice movement. Many have lived in Israel and still have family there. It's very interesting to listen to them talk as an outsider. They never get too political, at least not with me, but they do not like the present government there. The leaders of the camp are 18- 22 year old kids and their sense of awareness of the issues is amazing. Best group I've ever worked for.
 

gb123

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how many times a day do they count.. kidding....usually after they pray

lol my uncle was jewish,,,, he converted for his wife and

both holidays lol
 
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