Why is god so mean? (if you believe him)

Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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We all know he is mean (don't lie....it's a sin that will send you to hell since he's so rude).

Now I'm going to hell for saying that... eh I tried and failed....
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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God doesn't need us for energy like a owl needs his prey. I try my hardest to avoid stepping on bugs lol (it's true). Besides, people don't create bugs to step on them like god does to us. And yes nature is mean, but (according to christianity) god created nature.... so why did he make nature so mean?
 
sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
We all know he is mean (don't lie....it's a sin that will send you to hell since he's so rude).

Now I'm going to hell for saying that... eh I tried and failed....
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if you believe him?

i dont remember god saying anything, always been people saying he said this and that.

you do believe everything people say?


so how is god mean?

in what ways ?
 
bestbuds09

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to me god is not mean at all, he is very strict though. i believe that when something bad happens to any of us it because GOD wants to test us and see if we are faithful and true to him. There are people out there that the minute something bad happens or it doesnt go their way, immediately they start putting god down or look away from GOD. Ive come to realize that the best way is not my way but GODs way.
 
sso

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... i always find this funny..

blaming god or thinking god has anything to do with our lives (apart from perhaps starting it all lol)


people do shit,

people are bad and good.

all actions come from that (or nature, which is basically like a clockwork really...not to be blamed.. (and im talking of animals as people(mjeh discussion for another day..)


thinking god has anything to do with it? (or the devil?)

well.

then some of your actions are controlled and some thoughts are not yours.

and some are gods and some are the devils.

and you are basically saying "IM A GIANT CHESSBOARD FOR THE GOD AND THE DEVIL"

and you just took free will right out the window (its not free will, if an OMNIPOTENT MASTER MIND is always Influencing your actions)


and you just took all blame right out of the window and all guilt and made shame just a redundant torture devise (to amuse god?)

cause

if you blame or thank god for everything?

then its all on him.

everything.

this might as well be a movie.

its like believing in fate its basically saying

"i dont understand shit whats happened to me or why, im clueless, so it has to have been fate. or god or the devil, im not responsible for any of it" (how could you? with an OMNIPOTENT being mucking around in the backscenery? ;))

nah, doesnt make sense.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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sso said:
if you believe him?

i dont remember god saying anything, always been people saying he said this and that.

you do believe everything people say?


so how is god mean?

in what ways ?
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By saying "if you believe him" I mean that if you believe in him, why is the god of your beliefs so mean...I'm also speaking of the christian god.

I don't believe everything people say.... but IF the bible is right, why is god so mean?

One example of how god is mean is by even creating a hell for us to go to.... or even creating us knowing that most of us would spend eternity in flames.... Do you see how mean that is or are you just gonna ask a irrelevant question? :).
 
sso

sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
By saying "if you believe him" I mean that if you believe in him, why is the god of your beliefs so mean...I'm also speaking of the christian god.

I don't believe everything people say.... but IF the bible is right, why is god so mean?

One example of how god is mean is by even creating a hell for us to go to.... or even creating us knowing that most of us would spend eternity in flames.... Do you see how mean that is or are you just gonna ask a irrelevant question? :).
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yes, except that hell as an idea came into being Long after jesus left.

the original hell, was just a place were the jews dumped the bodies of condemned criminals. (i forget its actual jewish name)

according to some texts jesus believed in reincarnation (As was common at that time)
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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sso said:
... i always find this funny..

blaming god or thinking god has anything to do with our lives (apart from perhaps starting it all lol)


people do shit,

people are bad and good.

all actions come from that (or nature, which is basically like a clockwork really...not to be blamed.. (and im talking of animals as people(mjeh discussion for another day..)


thinking god has anything to do with it? (or the devil?)

well.

then some of your actions are controlled and some thoughts are not yours.

and some are gods and some are the devils.

and you are basically saying "IM A GIANT CHESSBOARD FOR THE GOD AND THE DEVIL"

and you just took free will right out the window (its not free will, if an OMNIPOTENT MASTER MIND is always Influencing your actions)


and you just took all blame right out of the window and all guilt and made shame just a redundant torture devise (to amuse god?)

cause

if you blame or thank god for everything?

then its all on him.

everything.

this might as well be a movie.

its like believing in fate its basically saying

"i dont understand shit whats happened to me or why, im clueless, so it has to have been fate. or god or the devil, im not responsible for any of it" (how could you? with an OMNIPOTENT being mucking around in the backscenery? ;))

nah, doesnt make sense.
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There is no free will. I thought we discussed this.... no wait... that was with tyler on another thread... look up the free will thread to learn more.
 
sso

sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
There is no free will. I thought we discussed this.... no wait... that was with tyler on another thread... look up the free will thread to learn more.
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lol, nah,

no free will?

give me the relevant idea that made you believe this.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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sso said:
yes, except that hell as an idea came into being Long after jesus left.

the original hell, was just a place were the jews dumped the bodies of condemned criminals. (i forget its actual jewish name)

according to some texts jesus believed in reincarnation (As was common at that time)
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So what is the point of jesus if there is no hell?

How about simple things like making many of us live horrible lives? That seems pretty messed up to me. Or not giving us free will, that's messed up too. Or how about making it morally ok to own slaves and whip them?
 
Dislexicmidget2021

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God wrote the book?..... MEN wrote the book why do you think there is so much wrath and war in the book?What is the creature that both loves and hates so passionately as this GOD thats portrayed?Where the wrath and kindness are so capriciously given unto individuals throughout the Bible.The distance between that love and hate are no more than the width of paper, yet is suppose to be retribution from an all knowing and all powerful yet infinitely patient creator?.Sounds very humanistic to me.Mankind is Mean as fuck!But we can match that evil with our love and then some.
So why is God mean?Hmmmmmm makes one think about the authors of that book alot more.
 
sso

sso

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Hepheastus420 said:
So what is the point of jesus if there is no hell?

How about simple things like making many of us live horrible lives? That seems pretty messed up to me. Or not giving us free will, that's messed up too. Or how about making it morally ok to own slaves and whip them?
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the point of jesus according to some, was to be a messenger, i would say messenger of love (if you havent got love, you havent got anything (jesus said that))

making many of us live horrible lives?

people do that. to people. god has nothing to do with that.

if you hadnt got free will, you wouldnt be able to control when you went to the bathroom. ;)

who said it was ever morally ok to own slaves? people did, and wrote it down, attributing such to god is rather foolish.

Hepheastus420 said:
According to christianity, god wrote the book of life, hence us not having free will since he didn't give us a chance to write a paragraph lol.
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according to some ideas that were had by christian people..

and anyways, just because you were raised under a certain religion, does not make it the ultimate truth.

and btw, if you have no free will, then you have no choice but to write what you do

and i have no choice in writing what i do.

making this entire affair rather pointless, why bother?

oh wait, we have no free will and have to continue.

so what does that make suicides?

god made them do it?
 
ThE sAtIvA hIgH

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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Hepheastus420 said:
We all know he is mean (don't lie....it's a sin that will send you to hell since he's so rude).

Now I'm going to hell for saying that... eh I tried and failed....
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Because when your bible was written , the things you class as being mean today were not classed as being mean back in those days .
 
mak

mak

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bestbuds09 said:
to me god is not mean at all, he is very strict though. i believe that when something bad happens to any of us it because GOD wants to test us and see if we are faithful and true to him. There are people out there that the minute something bad happens or it doesnt go their way, immediately they start putting god down or look away from GOD. Ive come to realize that the best way is not my way but GODs way.
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i question that if i was to do something,i would fail at the test.

what if i did something i thought was right?

say,if i saved a very beautiful/radiant/innocent person,but in the process an evil/mean/rotten soul had to be taken out of this world?..did i fail?

if i wasnt raised on religion,and continue not to go to church,does that mean i dont believe?

if a dog killed my dog that i loved and still love till my death,and is a mean ruthless animal that may hurt a child one day,am i wrong if i take that animal out of existance?

too many variables and cursed with too many questions in my head.
 
tyler.durden

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Hey, Hep! I think TSH is on to something a few posts ago (gives me no pleasure to admit this), the Abrahamic god is so harsh because that was the zeitgeist in the era in which the bible was written. Ruling men back then (not so different now) was done by fear as opposed to respect or democratic consensus, individual rights didn't mean much if it was even a widely held concept. The only way such ludicrous dogma could be accepted is by fear, follow/believe this or you'll be set on fire for eternity. Dawkins starts his book, The God Delusion, with an accurate description of this:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully..."
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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tyler.durden said:
Hey, Hep! I think TSH is on to something a few posts ago (gives me no pleasure to admit this), the Abrahamic god is so harsh because that was the zeitgeist in the era in which the bible was written. Ruling men back then (not so different now) was done by fear as opposed to respect or democratic consensus, individual rights didn't mean much if it was even a widely held concept. The only way such ludicrous dogma could be accepted is by fear, follow/believe this or you'll be set on fire for eternity. Dawkins starts his book, The God Delusion, with an accurate description of this:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully..."
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...sounds like 'old selves'. ...oh, and the cat...someone should put him back in the bag :)
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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Dislexicmidget2021 said:
God wrote the book?..... MEN wrote the book why do you think there is so much wrath and war in the book?What is the creature that both loves and hates so passionately as this GOD thats portrayed?Where the wrath and kindness are so capriciously given unto individuals throughout the Bible.The distance between that love and hate are no more than the width of paper, yet is suppose to be retribution from an all knowing and all powerful yet infinitely patient creator?.Sounds very humanistic to me.Mankind is Mean as fuck!But we can match that evil with our love and then some.
So why is God mean?Hmmmmmm makes one think about the authors of that book alot more.
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I understand and agree with you.... but I clearly said "if you believe in him".... and that means that you must believe in the bible and that the bible is the word of god.
 
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