Which to choose.

greenearth5

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Im planning on growing some LR2's for 2 grows until i can get a mother plant grown big enough to start cloneing. My question is which strain should I use for my mother. I want it to be a smooth and enjoyable stone plus something i can pass of to my friends to make a little money back (non profit). I like the bud that has some flavor to it like blueberry but i dont want to grow that this time. I have thought about white widow or strawberry cough. I will be cloning and immediatly flowering the clones with a 400 HPS light. I will NOT have any MH lighting. So whatever i choose must flower once i put it under a HPS light. There are so many to choose from that i dont know which direction to turn...
 

Hobbes

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"I want it to be a smooth and enjoyable stone plus something i can pass of to my friends to make a little money back (non profit). I like the bud that has some flavor to it like blueberry but i dont want to grow that this time. I have thought about white widow or strawberry cough."

My next blue/purple strain will be Querkle by Subcool - pronounced grape taste and a high that will take your head off. $40 USD for 5 seeds. Blueberry is sometimes hit or miss for flavor and potency and often has sexual stability problems (hermie).

I've never read a complaint of someone having too much White Widow. Old school classic, very potent, tastes fantastic.

I flowered Dutch Passion's Strawberry Cough a few times, taste was bad and no potency. A better option would be Elite's Super Strawberry Diesel with more potency and a pronouced strawberry diesel taste.

Take a look at Subcool (TGA) and Elite's strains, pretty much any strain will knock it out of the park (your head) and the prices are some of the lowest on the net. The more potent the better for a one strain grow, Jack The Ripper by Subcool or Double Dipped Sour Banana (or any Sour Larry cross) by Elite will rip your head off.

http://elitegenetics.webs.com/list.htm

http://www.cannaseur.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=9&Itemid=36&vmcchk=1&Itemid=36


"I will be cloning and immediatly flowering the clones with a 400 HPS light. I will NOT have any MH lighting. So whatever i choose must flower once i put it under a HPS light."

They all do, no worries.

"There are so many to choose from that i dont know which direction to turn..."

Over 2435 of them. Go with the breeder first, strain second.

http://www.cannabismarijuana.com/search.html

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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DJ Short

Spectrum of Effects

The first spectrum to consider is the "up and down". "Up" refers to the stimulating aspects of cannabis, while "down" refers to sedative qualities. Up pot tends to liven the disposition and stimulate the emotions, inspiring sociability and talkativeness. Down pot tends to produce sedative and depressant effects. Some people refer to stimulating pot as being a "head" high and sedative pot as being a "body" high, yet although partially true this is also misleading.

Body and head highs are the next spectrum of the cannabis experience. Generally speaking, head highs are stimulating and body highs are sedative, but not all are. Some body highs are stimulating and some head highs are depressing. I once sampled a terribly paranoia-inducing head pot that inspired great couch lock qualities. I called it Boo-Goo.

Early to late harvest will affect the head to body spectrum expressed by a certain plant, with the later harvest tending to produce more body and sedative effects. However, I believe that certain aspects of this spectrum to be genetically inherited.

Next to consider are aspects of duration. Some cannabis tends to be short-acting (15-30min) whereas other varieties last much longer (6-7 hours). Once again production, harvesting and curing techniques can influence aspects of this spectrum, but much of this effect is inherited.

For me, the most important aspect of the cannabis experience to consider is tolerance. This refers to the product's ability to provide the same experience via the same amount over time – the burnout factor. By "over time" I mean the long run: months, years, decades...

Most of the cannabis I see on the market today has a terrible tolerance factor – a quick burnout time with the product's novelty lasting less than a week. Luther Burbank's model of breeding needs to be employed here and no expression of tolerance to your product is to be tolerated. An example of where intolerance to tolerance is tolerated – enough already!

Another aspect of tolerance is "ceiling." This refers to how high (or far) one is capable of going with the variety. How many hits can you consume until more hits are unnoticeable? Most indicas have a low ceiling of less than 10 hits. For me that's usually around 5 hits in one smoking session. If I smoke more than 5 hits of a strong indica I will either not notice the post-ceiling hits, or I will fall asleep.

Some sativas have a very high ceiling, or seem to have none at all! This means that the more you consume, the higher and further you go. Oaxaca Highland Gold, Black Magic African, and Highland Thai were some of the herbs I've tried with very high or no ceiling.

The final aspect of mental effects to consider when sampling strains for breeding is the tendency to produce anxiety. Certain strains of cannabis increase anxiety while others decrease it. This is also true for other emotions, which some strains may suppress while others may augment their intensity. Generally stimulating and head varieties are the ones that can produce unwanted anxiety, but this is not always the case. Quickly cured buds or an over-early harvest are contributing factors to anxiety-increasing pot, but this trait is also genetic in nature.


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bongsmilie
 

greenearth5

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I am a medical candidate that needs to treat my illneses: high anxiety, paranoia, and ADHD. So i want a strain that will make these less severe.. thats partially why i smoke bud that doesnt mess me up very much. I like a light pleaseant high but my clients like a stone you out of your mind buzz. So i need 2 or 3 strains to grow.
 

Hobbes

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"... medical ... treat my illneses: high anxiety, paranoia, and ADHD ... a strain that will make these less severe ... bud that doesnt mess me up very much ... a light pleaseant high ... my clients like a stone you out of your mind buzz ... 2 or 3 strains.

Great description with symptoms right down my alley of expertise! One breeder for all your needs.

1 Jillybean - more of a moderate stone, reviews I've read said very calming. Should be great with anxiety and paranoia.

2. Jack The Ripper - says good for anxiety but also says heavy crash and paranoia possible. I'm growing this for the first time so I can't say for sure, but it will give your clients that "stone (high) you out of your mind buzz" and possibly be a potent anti-anxiety strain for you.

3. If you've got most of your bases covered with JB and JTR you could pick a very sedative strain to help with extreme anxiety and paranoia - for those times when you need to check out for a while.

Querkle is going to be on my next order - grape/purple and rip your head off.

The Flav is narcotic and an amazing flavor (as you probably guessed)

Pick 3 of Subcools strains and I think you'll be happy - and at $40 USD a strain you can't go wrong.

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Agent Orange

Orange Velvet x Jack The Ripper



  • Highly recommended!
  • Orange tasting strain
  • highly potent
  • immediate medicinal effects
  • high resin content plants
  • High Yield
  • 55- 60 days bloom cycle
  • appetite stimulator

    Candy taste and pain relieving effect. bred with the notoriously potent flagship strain " Jack The Ripper". Combined to create a perfect hybrid potent, tasty baseball bat colas of weighty frosty orange buds, simply an all round excellent strain.

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AstroQueen

Astroboy x SpaceQueen


  • Indica/sativa: 60%-40% Hybrid

  • Flowering time 55-58 days

  • Yield : Good Yielder

  • Resin Production : very high

  • smell/taste Orange/Mango

  • Effect : Narcotic,Medicinal

A large watermelon trait female was pollinated with our proven space queen male.The resulting cross yields very unusual tasting hybrid with with flavors from cherry to watermelon. The high is very intense and is reported by smokers as trippy and good for pain relief. Females are very similar with heavey resin and a fruity smell and taste. very mind expanding and visual,very much a head high. Harvest window is 8 weeks...


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Jack The Ripper

Jacks Cleaner F1 x Space Queen

Some think its a violent sounding name for a cannabis strain but its name is an attempt to convey the roar potency this excellent medicinal hybrid posseses, a true instant stoned to the bone. Very effective pain relief type of smoked or vaporized.


  • Super Potent
  • Short Squat little stretch 2x max ( depending on veg time)�
  • Extremely High Resin Content
  • Distinctive Lemon Smell
  • Medicaly Effective- pain & anxiety relief
  • Good Yielder

The mother plant Jacks Cleaner F1 has obtained urban legend status due to it's hard to get nature and folk tales of lethal potency leaving men dazed. The Space Queen is one of the best tasting strains I have tasted in years and still packs incredible resin and potency and unmistakable lemon qualities but with a definite haze fuel like undertone on the exhale.

The JTR seeds are tremendous in size and extremely dark and striped in the classic form of JC crosses.If you liked JCB or JC bx this is the collectors strain for you. 8 weeks + Sativa Hybrid


  • Resin Rockets
  • 8 weeks flower
  • 2x stretch
  • devastating High very potent
  • extreme lemon taste and smelll
  • very haze liketastes
  • Indoor
  • SOG Suitable

If you want Jacks Cleaner Genetics then you should look no further than JTR excellentin all departments one of the only 8 week haze tasting plants.


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Here's Hemp Depot's descriptions:

Jack the Ripper

Jacks Cleaner P1 X Space Queen

A true 8 week Sativa Haze the first thing growers notice is the incredible lemon smell and heavy resin production. It has been described by UK growers as the best 8 week haze ever produced.

This plant will produce triangle shaped spear buds that pretty much stopped active calyx growth early and produced copious amounts of resin instead, resin production was evident from day 12 in 12/12 but really started to fatten up the heads around day 50 or so.

I find it performs best untopped with a long vegetive period. The high is very creeper at first you may think that its not so strong but then whammo...it hits you hard and there's no turning back then...you will be deep in thought and meditative for quite some time...the duration and intensity is strong and thought provoking.

Phenotypes: Two main phenotypes both with a Lemon Haze smell and short growth one tends to be more a pine smell.

Height: Look for the Short Pheno/ Colas swell late

Yield-Medium: Heavy / Moderate trim work

Best way to grow: Untopped and vegged to a full bush.

Harvest Window: 8-9 weeks

Sativa/Indica: 70/30

Hybrid:
Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA

High type: Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash, increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia

Taste Like:
Lemon mango pine hash with a heavy haze influence


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Jacks Cleaner 2

I truly feel it’s the most dominant strain I have ever worked with. Lemon and resin are always passed on in spade, these are very stable displaying only a couple of phenotype, no matter which phenotype you get its heavily lemon, mango fruit and will produce large thick plants with an exceptional high. Developed: TGA (Spain)


  • 60% Sative / 40% Indica
  • 65-70 days bloom
  • SOG Suitable
  • Heavy Odour
  • Lemon and ground coffee aroma
  • Very High Resin Profile
  • Stocky Vigorous Plants
  • indoor/outdoor
  • appetite stimulant
  • Exceptionally medicinal and very moreish, please do not over indulge

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JillyBean

Orange Velvet x Spacequeen


  • Indica/Sativa : 70%/30%
  • Flowering Time : 50-58 Days
  • Yield : Good Yielder
  • Resin Production : High
  • Smell/Taste : Mango Fruity-Cherry Fuel
  • Effect : Body Stone , Very Medicinal

You dont really have to be a master breeder to figure out orange and pineapple mango flavour traits will be a good combination. The resulting outcross is remarkably stable and is close to a 50/50 representation of the parents. Topped it grows into a nice short bush with lots of side Branching and multi heads. Flavours range from orange, Tang,candy ,Mango,and apple. The cross works really well in SOG Or Scrog . Very Large stems and huge top colas make this an easy strain to grow in any medium.


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Querkle


  • Indica/Sativa : 90%/10%

  • Flowering Time : 58-65 Days

  • Yield : Average Yielder

  • Resin Production : High

  • Smell/Taste : Grapes

  • Effect : Body,Medicinal

Another knockout clone only strain,Urkle is one of the most sought after USA strains,its deep purple Hue's Make this plant a true spectacle to watch grow. As early as day 40 you will see her leaves change to a deep dark purple and now with Spacequeens mango flavours, resin profile and potency, this is sure to become a sure fire top strian. One of the only purple strains that will rip your head off... Top Bag appeal


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SpaceQueen

C99 x Romulan


  • Bros Grimm Strain F2's
  • Extremely Heavy odour
  • Extremely Heavy Taste
  • Extremely Heavy Resin Production
  • Very Medicinal
  • 7-8 Week Bloom
  • needs support due to weight of buds
  • beautiful candy likedried texture.

Spacequeen is a very special strain indeed. On our first run of her we first saw the resin building long before day 30 and as you will see at day 33 they will be just oozing resin.By Day 38 I was smiling big as they took on that famous Brothers Grimm C99 Smell with a hint of what I know know as Joe Pine Romulan. Excellent breeding gene pool, high potency, high yield with excellent bag appeal.

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The Flav

Astroboy x SpaceQueen


  • Indica/sativa: 60%-40% Hybrid

  • Flowering time 55-58 days

  • Yield : Good Yielder

  • Resin Production : very high

  • Smell/taste Orange/Mango

  • Effect : Narcotic,Medicinal

Selecting from our own cross,Astroboy a large watermelon female was pollinated with our proven space queen male.The resulting cross yields very unusual tasting hybrid with with flavors from cherry to watermelon. The high is very intense and is reported by smokers as trippy and good for pain relief. Females are very similar with heavey resin and a fruity smell and taste. very mind expanding and viual,very much a head high. Harvest window is 8 weeks.

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Third Dimension

Apollo 13 x JTR


  • 70%Sativa 30% Indica
  • 2 x Stretch
  • Heavy Resin Production
  • Vigorous Growth
  • Heavy Blooms
  • High Odour
  • Apple, watermelon flavours
  • 8 - 9 week bloom
  • Indoor suited
  • Clear thought provoking effect

Exceptionally potent plants that ooze with resin and need support due to abundant heavy blooms.

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VORTEX

Apollo 13 x Space Queen.


  • Indica/Sativa 20%/80%

  • Flowering Time:58-65 Days

  • Yield: Good Yielder

  • Resin Production: Very High

  • Smell/Taste: Spiceyfruit/Cherry

  • Effect: Clear/Pain Relief


Apollo 13 is another legendary clone only strain in the USA.It was used as the seedbearing parent in this awsome cross.Its a sticky,milky,sweet tasting plant that has a very uplifting high,very enjoyable,puts you in a very creative mood. Again Spacedude has passed on the cherry like sweet fruit undertone to an already complex apollo Flavours. Excellent toke for daytime non confusing and clear,each toke is a tasty treat which usually leads to smoking excessive amounts,leaving the smoker in a daze. Can creep up on you. Excellent stout structured and vigorous plant.

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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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greenearth here's an effect chart for mostly classic strains. It'll give you a good idea of what each strain will do but I'd go with Subcool's strains.



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