WHEN SHOULD LEAVES START TO DIE IN FLOWER

Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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I'm curious to know what time does the average strain start to lose or kill off its leaves? let's say for example we have an 8 week strain! In organics is what I need to know, I know u hydro guys. start when u start to flush, so unfortunately you may or may not be able to help here! can't say what u know lol! but I'm talking 100% living organics!

I understand all strains are different I'm just looking for a good general time frame! (if you need a specific strain then j.w. gg4) basically I stumbled onto this question bc of experiment I've been working on! this cycle it turned out absolutely amazing, and better than I could have ever expected!

I guess I have to say a brief word about my experiment for this to make any sense. It's a probiotic sip, 100% living organics, no bottles, no nutes, no teas, no kinda of feeding at all! once it's set up all I do from veg to harvest is top the rez with em1 an water, it's not a water only recipie, it's just basically creating the perfect environment for the soil food Web to thrive! not gunna get into any more here, I'll post a link below for anyone has further interested! first 2 pages explains all!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/greens-wedding-cake-sip-probiotics.984543/

now with that said. I still have some changes to make! I found out the size sip I am using isn't big enough(can't hold enough soil) to carry my lady from veg to harvest, without having to feed her, which defeats the entire purpose of my experiment! although that size works perfect for smaller girls, as u will soon see this is a monster! I 100% positive I can solve my problem by moving from a 18g sip to a 30g sip! so I plan to next round!

which brings me to my point of this thread, I need to understand as best as possible, when most ladies like to shed some colors or begin to drink their leave dry! as said this cycle started way to early almost 3 1/2 weeks before harvest! so in order to know next time if I've solved the problem with a bigger sip, I need to know in a perfect world, when would she naturally die off! so I can tell if I'm still running out of gas, or of its just time end her cycle!!

thanks guys for any help or links! below is the experiment I've been working on, it's gg4, covering a 4x4 scrog, and she's 15 days until chop! if this interest you click that link I'll explain anything needed! I've been working on this for almost a year now!
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Greenthumbs256

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Renfro said:
It's a little strain dependent but for me the yellowing usually starts at the bottom around week 6 or 7. I just like to see that because that means the plants are consuming the mobile nitrogen and not getting too much from nutrients.
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thing is tho, in organics, wither there is extra npk in the soil or not, the leaves will still start to turn when it's time, it's just nature, that's why I'm trying to figure out a way to tell, if I'm running out of nutes, or if it's just time! I know this round I ran out, bc it was very early, I'm just concerned about being ready to observe for next time!
 
Greenthumbs256

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cannabis plants are basically cannibals in a sense, bc of the way they will drain a leaf, (which is basically nothing but a storage container) to move what ever type of nutrients it needs from one part of the plant to another. In true organics tho, and in nature towards the end of its life(strain dependent) instead of taking things from the soil, for some reason it's prefers to kill off its fans leaves, maybe its easier and requires less work idk!

that's how I understand it at least! if I'm wrong and someone could correct me that would be awesome, but that's how I think it works, lol I could be wrong tho!
 
Renfro

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Yeah it would seem to me that 3.5 weeks is early, if your next cycle goes to 6 or 7 weeks thats pretty normal for me. My feed hasn't dropped nitrogen levels in my current schedule until week 9 so I agree that there is just a natural course to the progression genetically.
 
Greenthumbs256

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Renfro said:
Yeah it would seem to me that 3.5 weeks is early, if your next cycle goes to 6 or 7 weeks thats pretty normal for me. My feed hasn't dropped nitrogen levels in my current schedule until week 9 so I agree that there is just a natural course to the progression genetically.
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see my gg4 I'm running now, has a 64 day flower time, right at 9 weeks, but when it started to yellow, did a light feeding of compost, and incet frass, and a pinch of kelp, watered it into the top, and it bought me until now, the leaves stayed the same pretty much, but in a 12 hour window sicne yesterday I had a lot of leaves turn! so sadly I did it again, but much lighter! as i said next round it should be solved bc of more soil biggwr pot, so needless to the gas will lasy longer lol.

But even still I don't know if maybe 2 weeks before chop is a Lil to early, or if it could start almost 3 weeks before chop!
 
Greenthumbs256

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I'm not realy worried about this gg4 making it to the finish line, Ive got 15 days left, could very easily take her a day or 2 early if need be! I really just wanna be ready for next cycle, so if she starts to yellow early then obviously I have to change something about my method! but the entire point, is zero feedings zero nutrients or teas, no nothing! if I yellow early then it's not exactly what I'm shooting for, and need to adjust something!
 
WingAK

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Greenthumbs256 said:
I'm not realy worried about this gg4 making it to the finish line, Ive got 15 days left, could very easily take her a day or 2 early if need be! I really just wanna be ready for next cycle, so if she starts to yellow early then obviously I have to change something about my method! but the entire point, is zero feedings zero nutrients or teas, no nothing! if I yellow early then it's not exactly what I'm shooting for, and need to adjust something!
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I grow in organic living soil as well and I use buffaloam tea 1-1-1 all the way through flower it’s pretty amazing stuff. If your worried a plant won’t make it I’d definitely invest in that. From what I’ve learned and what I’ve been told by my soil maker is that you have to feed the soil so your not technically feeding the plant when using buffaloam tea.
 
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WeedFreak78

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Why are you worried about leaf color? It means nothing and is strain dependant. I have some that yellow and drop leaves starting about 2 weeks before finish, some that go purple/red and don't drop any leaves and some that stay green to the end. The plant is only going to use what it needs at that stage of life in good soil. Watch the buds for swell and receding pistils, then check trichomes. Until you've run the same plant a couple times and know it's cycle, that's really the only way to get an idea.
 
Lordhooha

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Greenthumbs256 said:
I'm curious to know what time does the average strain start to lose or kill off its leaves? let's say for example we have an 8 week strain! In organics is what I need to know, I know u hydro guys. start when u start to flush, so unfortunately you may or may not be able to help here! can't say what u know lol! but I'm talking 100% living organics!

I understand all strains are different I'm just looking for a good general time frame! (if you need a specific strain then j.w. gg4) basically I stumbled onto this question bc of experiment I've been working on! this cycle it turned out absolutely amazing, and better than I could have ever expected!

I guess I have to say a brief word about my experiment for this to make any sense. It's a probiotic sip, 100% living organics, no bottles, no nutes, no teas, no kinda of feeding at all! once it's set up all I do from veg to harvest is top the rez with em1 an water, it's not a water only recipie, it's just basically creating the perfect environment for the soil food Web to thrive! not gunna get into any more here, I'll post a link below for anyone has further interested! first 2 pages explains all!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/greens-wedding-cake-sip-probiotics.984543/

now with that said. I still have some changes to make! I found out the size sip I am using isn't big enough(can't hold enough soil) to carry my lady from veg to harvest, without having to feed her, which defeats the entire purpose of my experiment! although that size works perfect for smaller girls, as u will soon see this is a monster! I 100% positive I can solve my problem by moving from a 18g sip to a 30g sip! so I plan to next round!

which brings me to my point of this thread, I need to understand as best as possible, when most ladies like to shed some colors or begin to drink their leave dry! as said this cycle started way to early almost 3 1/2 weeks before harvest! so in order to know next time if I've solved the problem with a bigger sip, I need to know in a perfect world, when would she naturally die off! so I can tell if I'm still running out of gas, or of its just time end her cycle!!

thanks guys for any help or links! below is the experiment I've been working on, it's gg4, covering a 4x4 scrog, and she's 15 days until chop! if this interest you click that link I'll explain anything needed! I've been working on this for almost a year now!
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Um never. I never seem to have leaves dying until I chop.
 
Greenthumbs256

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not trying to be a dick, and I appreciate you guys commenting, but did anyone read the post?

wing ive stated, this was bc of an experiment, not looking for anything to add, that's the whole point of a probiotic sip, it grows it self without any feedings at all! so watering in anything teas, or w.e. defeats everything I'm working towards.

and weedfreak, I also covered everything you said in above post, I want to know this for my next round, just to know if me moving to bigger size sip will solve my slight issue! I also said I know it's strain dependent! and I also have no problem about when to harvest! and never mentioned that! as a matter of fact I belive I also posted in harvest in 15 days, I know the exact date bc it's a clone, which was also said!

like I said not trying to be mean, but there just isn't any way either of you 2 read the post!
 
WingAK

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Greenthumbs256 said:
not trying to be a dick, and I appreciate you guys commenting, but did anyone read the post?

wing ive stated, this was bc of an experiment, not looking for anything to add, that's the whole point of a probiotic sip, it grows it self without any feedings at all! so watering in anything teas, or w.e. defeats everything I'm working towards.

and weedfreak, I also covered everything you said in above post, I want to know this for my next round, just to know if me moving to bigger size sip will solve my slight issue! I also said I know it's strain dependent! and I also have no problem about when to harvest! and never mentioned that! as a matter of fact I belive I also posted in harvest in 15 days, I know the exact date bc it's a clone, which was also said!

like I said not trying to be mean, but there just isn't any way either of you 2 read the post!
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I did read your post, I was just trying to explain that even with a sip you will eventually need to feed the soil. Im not to familiar with probiotics does that feed the soil or the plant?
 
Greenthumbs256

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WingAK said:
I did read your post, I was just trying to explain that even with a sip you will eventually need to feed the soil. Im not to familiar with probiotics does that feed the soil or the plant?
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yes it does buddy, basically if you don't want to read the first 2 pages of that link I posted I can give u a quick cliff note version if you want!

basically the way this works, from what I've been able to understand, is you start with a living soil, one it's set up, the amount of life that in it keeps it's going without any need to top dress or add teas, literally nothing! my problem I had no idea how successful this would be, and the crazy fast growth that I got, next thing I knew I'm dealing with this beast! so it would have be perfect and not needed to but feed, but the pot was way to small, which is why I'm moving up from a 18g sip. to a 30g sip, the extra soil it holds will easily carry it the extra 3ish weeks and not run out to till the very last week or 2, when it naturally starts it's fade!

the whole point for me making this thread was to know on average when they normally start the fade so I can easily watch the next cycle and tenth read hell if my idea of a bigger sip solved my issue!
 
WingAK

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Greenthumbs256 said:
not trying to be a dick, and I appreciate you guys commenting, but did anyone read the post?

wing ive stated, this was bc of an experiment, not looking for anything to add, that's the whole point of a probiotic sip, it grows it self without any feedings at all! so watering in anything teas, or w.e. defeats everything I'm working towards.

and weedfreak, I also covered everything you said in above post, I want to know this for my next round, just to know if me moving to bigger size sip will solve my slight issue! I also said I know it's strain dependent! and I also have no problem about when to harvest! and never mentioned that! as a matter of fact I belive I also posted in harvest in 15 days, I know the exact date bc it's a clone, which was also said!

like I said not trying to be mean, but there just isn't any way either of you 2 read the post!
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So after reading all your other posts on what you got going on your using em1 to feed the soil and your wondering if you need to increase it to stop the yellowing or trying to see if it’s just the plant doing it’s thing. I’d say it’s doing it’s thing and they look amazing. I grow in organic soil that only needs a feed 4 weeks into flower I grow in 7 gallon fabric pots and I veg for 3-4 weeks I only use water then once I’m 4 weeks into flower I feed my soil with buffaloam. Your on a whole other level my friend looks amazing!
 
pulpoinspace

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totally strain dependent. unless u stop feeding them then leaves will die whenever you want. sometimes leaves don't die at all.
 
Greenthumbs256

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you seem like you really like organics I'd highly recommend you go read the first two pages of the link I posted in the first post, there is some amazing things happening, and the results I'm getting are kinda insane! no one can really explain it all, I've been trying for about a year! but bottom line once it's set up, u add a splash of em1, to water and top the rez when it drys, nothing else! form veg to flower! and the results speak for themselves! as I said first 2 pages and u can have your mind blown lol
 
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