When did you start smoking with your kids?

Olive Drab Green

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What you buy into is the old model, right? The one under which I went to school while being prescribed neuroleptics before I was even a preteen and had to pay attention while feeling as if I was recovering from a lobotomy performed the previous night. That was totally sanctioned under the APA, the Departments of Education and Health, and American Society as a whole, for my mother to forcefeed me 50 medications until she found the one that kept me the most sedate and incoherent from age 8. Personally? My attention suffered way worse from FDA-approved psychotropic medications. Your position comes from a place of ignorance, not fact. I am going to do my damnedest to correct this stigma and mentality, because it is antiquated and prejudiced.
 
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Venus55

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All I’m saying is, don’t convolute your personal emotions for common sense. Don’t get pissy because you’re experiencing cognitive dissonance.

So you buy into the idea that a kid with ADHD or Autism can smoke and excel academically, but a neurotypical & psychologically “normal” kid would somehow suffer ill effects? Get out of here. My grades have improved since I got my medical card and have been allowed to vape in class. With proper parenting and guidance, a kid should not have a problem keeping their grades. Pay attention to your kid, that simple.
Lol I’m not getting pissy at all. I can agree with what @Sour Wreck is saying. Certain strains def do enhance personal abilities. But I know whenever I had a smoke in high school all I did was laugh uncontrollably and talk non stop. (Not much has changed actually lol).. And I just can’t see how being in that state could have benefited me sitting in a classroom trying to pay attention. I think it’s better to agree to disagree on this one. I just don’t see myself ever patting my boy on the back as a teen and saying yeah smoke up son - heck I’ll have one with you! But u know what, he’s 3yo, things change and so do people, maybe my thinking on this topic will change too.

However I don’t understand the last part of your comment “Don’t blame cannabis for your failure to support your child’s education.” I haven’t “blamed” cannabis for anything. I’m only saying I don’t believe encouraging teenage use is the best step towards supporting my child’s education.
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WeedFreak78

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I've never been diagnosed, but I'm fairly confident I have some form of ADD. Doing any projects around the house without smoking becomes me starting the project, realizing I need a certain tool, going to look for the tool, seeing something I didn't finish before, start fucking around with that, see something else that's not right, fuck with that, etc, etc. When I smoke, I stay focused on the main thing I'm doing. It was like that in school. If i went out and took some hits before important classes, I could go to class, focus on what was being taught and absorb it. Otherwise od be flipping ahead in my text books, doodling and daydreaming about getting the F out of there. Both the smartest and dumbest kid in my high school smoked on a daily basis. Everyone reacts differently. There's probably some 4yr old out there that could start puffing today and still be a Doogie Howser.
 

Jimmyjonestoo

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I won’t be raising my kid “according to recent studies” any which way. If we were to listen to every recent study done it’d be hard to decipher between what’s up and what’s down? There’s new studies every week finding something different to the last.

My decision is based on common sense. And common sense tells me a kid going to school high everyday isn’t going to have the same ability to concentrate and level of memory retention as those who aren’t. So even tho it may not pose any long term risk on the brain, it will effect their overall academic performance if used on a regular basis during schooling years, ultimately determining their future in many ways.

In saying that, in cases like your daughter, I’m PRO “medical” majuana use at any age.
But that’s not what I was referring to.
I went to school high every day and now own my own business. I make good money and don't answer to anybody. If smoking weed messes up your life you were bound to be a loser either way.
 

Venus55

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I've never been diagnosed, but I'm fairly confident I have some form of ADD. Doing any projects around the house without smoking becomes me starting the project, realizing I need a certain tool, going to look for the tool, seeing something I didn't finish before, start fucking around with that, see something else that's not right, fuck with that, etc, etc. When I smoke, I stay focused on the main thing I'm doing. It was like that in school. If i went out and took some hits before important classes, I could go to class, focus on what was being taught and absorb it. Otherwise od be flipping ahead in my text books, doodling and daydreaming about getting the F out of there. Both the smartest and dumbest kid in my high school smoked on a daily basis. Everyone reacts differently. There's probably some 4yr old out there that could start puffing today and still be a Doogie Howser.
Yeah I guess you’re right. Well maybe this thread is what I needed to read to open my mind up to it all and not be so “ignorant” as odg put it. Maybe he’s right too I do have an old school view on it all? I’ve become more like my own parents than I care to admit. Difference is I’m open to change , they weren’t.
 

WeedFreak78

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Yeah I guess you’re right. Well maybe this thread is what I needed to read to open my mind up to it all and not be so “ignorant” as odg put it. Maybe he’s right too I do have an old school view on it all? I’ve become more like my own parents than I care to admit. Difference is I’m open to change , they weren’t.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Lol I’m not getting pissy at all. I can agree with what @Sour Wreck is saying. Certain strains def do enhance personal abilities. But I know whenever I had a smoke in high school all I did was laugh uncontrollably and talk non stop. (Not much has changed actually lol).. And I just can’t see how being in that state could have benefited me sitting in a classroom trying to pay attention. I think it’s better to agree to disagree on this one. I just don’t see myself ever patting my boy on the back as a teen and saying yeah smoke up son - heck I’ll have one with you! But u know what, he’s 3yo, things change and so do people, maybe my thinking on this topic will change too.

However I don’t understand the last part of your comment “Don’t blame cannabis for your failure to support your child’s education.” I haven’t “blamed” cannabis for anything. I’m only saying I don’t believe encouraging teenage use is the best step towards supporting my child’s education.
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The last part was hypothetical. Like, if your child is struggling academically, it won’t be because of the weed. It will be because you (generalization “you”) were not guiding them properly and supporting them in their education. They’ll probably pay attention better, doing homework a little buzzed, as long as you keep them encouraged. Any failure of your child is your failure as a parent, not theirs or the plant’s.
 

shrxhky420

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My kid had a troubled childhood. Her mom left state when my daughter was 7. Wasn't much long after that she started acting out. She would visit her "mom" once a month and summer time. I'm certain she started smoking at age 11. Eventually she kinda ran away from me and moved to "mom's" place. That was a few years ago. She's 19 now. I'd smoke with her now, if she would visit.

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pabloesqobar

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The last part was hypothetical. Like, if your child is struggling academically, it won’t be because of the weed. It will be because you (generalization “you”) were not guiding them properly and supporting them in their education. They’ll probably pay attention better, doing homework a little buzzed, as long as you keep them encouraged. Any failure of your child is your failure as a parent, not theirs or the plant’s.
You tend to speak in absolutes about things that are not at all settled in the scientific community, and for which you cite yourself as the anecdote of one. Common sense tells me you are biased and lack the education and experience to make the proclamations you make. Then again, I'm not so far ahead of everyone nor regarded as a genius. So I could be wrong.
 

cannabineer

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Let’s clarify something, I’m not talking about kids with ADHD any other conditions. I’m talking about MY kid. And so you’re seriously debating that if my kid goes to classes bent it will have no negative effects on his academic achievement? Yeah nah sorry not buying into that.

There are numerous “recent” studies to back up my opinion and I’ll link them if ur interested. But like I said I don’t care about studies. I smoke and I know how I feel when I smoke. And common sense says to me going to school smashed is not going to result in enhanced or increased learning. Simple. And if for that reasoning you consider my parenting to be questionable then “that worries me for our children more than cannabis”.


You tend to speak in absolutes about things that are not at all settled in the scientific community, and for which you cite yourself as the anecdote of one. Common sense tells me you are biased and lack the education and experience to make the proclamations you make. Then again, I'm not so far ahead of everyone nor regarded as a genius. So I could be wrong.
I agree that ODG was not rigorous in his statements. However if we are to apply the standard to him, Little Miss Attribution-is-boring should get it also for her emotion-based fact substitutes. Perhaps if she would quote the references to these "recent" studies, we might have a real discussion.
 

pabloesqobar

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I agree that ODG was not rigorous in his statements. However if we are to apply the standard to him, Little Miss Attribution-is-boring should get it also for her emotion-based fact substitutes. Perhaps if she would quote the references to these "recent" studies, we might have a real discussion.
If I've followed the conversation correctly, ODG first referred to "new research" to inform Venus55 her opinion on how to raise her child was wrong. He didn't cite this new research. Rather, he got on an intellectual highhorse, and unilaterally deemed her wrong . . . and his theory correct . . . based on absolutely nothing, other than his personal experience.

To top it off, ODG asserts, with no evidence, that children will be better academically if they are under the influence of cannabis.

In response, Venus55 rightly said she'd use her common sense. And that "recent studies" back her opinion up. She offered to link them if he wanted. Unlike ODG, who did not offer to back up his "new research" claims.

If I understand ODG correctly, you could take 30 children, and have them be stoned on cannabis for . . . let's say, 1st thru 12th grade. Every day. High. And they would perform better academically than 30 children who were not.

But the underlying theme ODG parrots is that ANY failure of a child is ipso facto, 100% caused by a failure of the parent. "Pay attention to your kid, that simple". That is patently absurd. You know it is.
 

Olive Drab Green

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If I've followed the conversation correctly, ODG first referred to "new research" to inform Venus55 her opinion on how to raise her child was wrong. He didn't cite this new research. Rather, he got on an intellectual highhorse, and unilaterally deemed her wrong . . . and his theory correct . . . based on absolutely nothing, other than his personal experience.

To top it off, ODG asserts, with no evidence, that children will be better academically if they are under the influence of cannabis.

In response, Venus55 rightly said she'd use her common sense. And that "recent studies" back her opinion up. She offered to link them if he wanted. Unlike ODG, who did not offer to back up his "new research" claims.

If I understand ODG correctly, you could take 30 children, and have them be stoned on cannabis for . . . let's say, 1st thru 12th grade. Every day. High. And they would perform better academically than 30 children who were not.

But the underlying theme ODG parrots is that ANY failure of a child is ipso facto, 100% caused by a failure of the parent. "Pay attention to your kid, that simple". That is patently absurd. You know it is.
Me? High horse? I’m not the one talking as if it’s so appalling to give a kid Cannabis despite society freely feeding them amphetamines.

She can do what she wants with her child. Don’t talk as if it’s bad for other parents to choose what’s good for their child based on scientific research rather than emotion.

Here’s my citation, you egotistical, projecting fools.


Peer-Reviewed Medical Journal published by the AMA:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2678214


CNN article:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/04/18/health/marijuana-cognitive-effects-study/index.html

Do you want them in MLA 8 or APA format?
 
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Olive Drab Green

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“The meta-analysis, published Wednesday in the journal JAMA Psychiatry, combines data from 69 previous studies that look at the effects of heavy cannabis use on cognitive functioning in adolescents and young adults. It found that those young people who identified as heavy marijuana users scored significantly lower than non-users in a variety of cognitive domains such as learning, abstraction, speed of processing, delayed memory, inhibition and attention.

"There have been a couple of meta-analyses done in adult samples, but this is the first one to be done specifically in adolescent and young adult samples," said Cobb Scott, assistant professor of psychiatry at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania and a lead author of the study.

“We looked at everything from learning and memory to different aspects of executive functioning such as abstraction ability," Scott said. "And we basically showed that the largest effects -- which was around a third of a standard deviation -- was in the learning of new information and some aspects of executive functioning, memory and speed of processing."

But when the researchers separated the studies based on length of abstinence from marijuana use, the difference in cognitive functioning between marijuana users and non-users was no longer apparent after 72 hours of marijuana abstinence.”
 

Olive Drab Green

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My point was, you are biased and on YOUR high horse if you think anyone who does give cannabis to their children is doing any long-term damage or harm, and that you’re avoiding any harm by restricting your child from its use. That clearly demonstrates it is not me on my high horse, but her; that she judges, and based on her perspective, that she believes that myself or others are doing harm to their/our children, while she is not. It’s totally implied. I am simply saying, her perspective, while I respect it, is rooted in ignorance.

Even the greatest decreases in cognition were no more than a third of a standard deviation, and negative effects were no longer apparent after 72 hours. If you give a child a measured dose, it should mitigate them getting too high and help them focus better; that’s where your responsibility comes in as a parent. To apply medicine as appropriate and to the greatest effect and least hindrance, helping your child maintain health and success. If they take so much that they cannot function, you failed as a parent in helping them understand the proper use of medicine, and you failed to teach them to use responsibly.
 
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tangerinegreen555

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I've never been diagnosed, but I'm fairly confident I have some form of ADD. Doing any projects around the house without smoking becomes me starting the project, realizing I need a certain tool, going to look for the tool, seeing something I didn't finish before, start fucking around with that, see something else that's not right, fuck with that, etc, etc. When I smoke, I stay focused on the main thing I'm doing. It was like that in school. If i went out and took some hits before important classes, I could go to class, focus on what was being taught and absorb it.....
All that is ADD?

I do/did all that, I always thought it was an asset.

Not the best organizational guy, but everything gets done.

Weed allows me to concentrate, but only if I want to concentrate. Sometimes my mind wanders, but so what? I get it done in the end. I got nothing but time.
 

Olive Drab Green

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As for not citing the study? I just thought if you cared enough to look it up, you’d look it up your damned selves in an attempt to prove me wrong. Clearly you’re egotistical, but not self-motivated.

Fuck, I tried to remain respectful and have proper discourse.

Just so we’re clear, I’m directing this at Pablo and Venus.
 
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pabloesqobar

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As for not citing the study? I just thought if you cared enough to look it up, you’d look it up your damned selves in an attempt to prove me wrong. Clearly you’re egotistical, but not self-motivated.

Fuck, I tried to remain respectful and have proper discourse.

Just so we’re clear, I’m directing this at Pablo and Venus.
Dang. You're all riled up. I'd like to address your points, but I'm spending time with friends. Hopefully tomorrow is ok. More importantly, I'm gonna find an opportunity to use "cognitive dissonance" in this evenings conversation.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Dang. You're all riled up. I'd like to address your points, but I'm spending time with friends. Hopefully tomorrow is ok. More importantly, I'm gonna find an opportunity to use "cognitive dissonance" in this evenings conversation.
I’m actually calm. I’m mostly frustrated at how horribly things can be miscommunicated here.

Firstly, I realize “proof” is nescience. Science “proves” nothing. You don’t have to explain that concept to me. All I’m saying is that science is supportive of my assertion, whereas Venus is drawing inspiration from 80 years of Drug Warrior rhetoric and confused emotions.

That said, I’m not upset with her. I am annoyed because you guys got upset and then started projecting your issues onto me, despite respectfully trying to explain to you why your opinion doesn’t hold water. The fact is, this biased and unscientific idea that cannabis causes ANY long term damage is just not true, and it’s a mentality we, as cannabis users and enthusiasts, are obligated and bound by responsibility to put to bed.
 
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