What's your thoughts?

I'm a old bastard and I've been around awhile,and one thing I've seen and read on here numerous times.Is that alot of individuals seem to get caught up with is brand names,never smoking it,but have went on reputation and word of mouth.

Don't get me wrong,I've considered purchasing genes/strains from outside sources.But as of today (35+ yrs. of indulgence)I have never grown anything on rep alone without not having at least smoked it myself.

What my question is have you ever grown something before having just saw pictures on a site?or what your buddy said?or just word of mouth ?I'm sure there is several on here that has ,I'm just wondering how that came out?I'm betting there's alot of interesting stories out there(good and bad ) and I'm sure there is alot of readers who would find it enlightening,I know I would.

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The one thing I've found is that the same strain from two breeders are often different strains.

I ran a Strawberry Cough from Dutch Passion that was nothing like the description of Strawberry Cough the clone that I've read around the net. Awful taste and weak effects. DP Blueberry is suppose to have DJ Short genetics but mine were just weak and poor producers. Lots of poor strains or poor phenos by breeders who advertise differently.

Effect descriptions are poor or missing in most ads.

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Hobbes said:

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The one thing I've found is that the same strain from two breeders are often different strains.

I ran a Strawberry Cough from Dutch Passion that was nothing like the description of Strawberry Cough the clone that I've read around the net. Awful taste and weak effects. DP Blueberry is suppose to have DJ Short genetics but mine were just weak and poor producers. Lots of poor strains or poor phenos by breeders who advertise differently.

Effect descriptions are poor or missing in most ads.

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So If you was to do it again ?would you say buyer beware ?have your results been better sticking with tried and true strains that you've had some experience with?

I've had other hobbies in the past and as I got wiser to it,I found that when it came to those individuals having what they actually advertised there motivation has been driven by nothing but the almighty dollar.So that's why I'm really leery of purchasing strains without having proof of the pudding ,just my $.02

Hobbes said:

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The one thing I've found is that the same strain from two breeders are often different strains.

I ran a Strawberry Cough from Dutch Passion that was nothing like the description of Strawberry Cough the clone that I've read around the net. Awful taste and weak effects. DP Blueberry is suppose to have DJ Short genetics but mine were just weak and poor producers. Lots of poor strains or poor phenos by breeders who advertise differently.

Effect descriptions are poor or missing in most ads.

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In most cases there is a singular original genetic form of any strain and if it gains popularity other breeders then create their own versions, they create knockoffs that are genetically different but that share the same name as the singular original genetics.
　
For some information about whose strains contain what genetics you can go to http://en.seedfinder.eu/ and look around. It has information on 1,743 different strains, some to many knockoffs that share the same name to the original genetics, from 110 different breeders and you can see what makes them different and in what way or ways.
　
If you go there click on strain database and then either look up the strain name you are interested in or just work your way through both the strains whose names begin with numbers and also through the alphabet.

If only interested in cup winners after clicking on strain database next click on cup winner and then pick from the different competitions and run down the list of those that took first prize and second prize and third prize.
　
In every case, looking up a specific strain, searching through them all or searching through cup winners when you look at a strain name and follow the line it is on to the right you will see a star.

The star will be all green or partially green and partially brown or all brown. All green is supposed to be pure sativa. Mostly green but partially brown means predominantly sativa, half-green and half brown is supposed to mean a 50/50 mix of sativa and indica and a mostly brown but partially green star means predominantly indica and an all brown star means all indica.
　
If you look through the different strains and see several, or in some cases many strains with the same name you will be able to see what their basic difference is.

If you then click on each particular strain, or one or some that appeal to you the most oft times you can find the strain’s lineage and further see what differences there are between strains that share the same name.
　
As for making purchases without first actually sampling what I purchased and instead relied on word of mouth, other’s opinion or breeder claims, yes I have done that.

In most cases I have been lucky and what I ended up with was a good value and something I liked but a few times things have not turned out so well.

Some breeder descriptions are not all that accurate and word of mouth is even less accurate because it is always based on the personal likes and dislikes and preference of whoever began the word of mouth chain..
　
In the case of inaccurate breeder information I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and believe that they did not intentionally lie but instead did not totally complete their work to stabilize their creation(s) as much as is possible before releasing them and whet they describe is the most common phenotype you will receive but others may likely pop up that do not come close to fitting the breeders description.
　
If there is any intentional misleading on the part of breeder descriptions I tend to believe it is a failure to say something like roughly 80% of you can expect to have phenotype ‘A’ but the other 20% of you may end up with phenotypes ‘B,’ ‘C,’ or ‘D’ and they then do not describe them in any way leaving your purchase to be a roll of the dice that may come up a seven or it may come up snake eyes.

I do my research before leaning on a strain. The type of high i want and so on and not because it looks nice or gives me a purple color...

46and2 said:

I'm a old bastard and I've been around awhile,and one thing I've seen and read on here numerous times.Is that alot of individuals seem to get caught up with is brand names,never smoking it,but have went on reputation and word of mouth.

Don't get me wrong,I've considered purchasing genes/strains from outside sources.But as of today (35+ yrs. of indulgence)I have never grown anything on rep alone without not having at least smoked it myself.

What my question is have you ever grown something before having just saw pictures on a site?or what your buddy said?or just word of mouth ?I'm sure there is several on here that has ,I'm just wondering how that came out?I'm betting there's alot of interesting stories out there(good and bad ) and I'm sure there is alot of readers who would find it enlightening,I know I would.

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for my first grow i did the cannabis cup winner and im not gonna lie i was skeptical since i have never tried it but when i grew it and smoked it all my skepticism went away since that was the best strain i've have ever had and would do it again if i knew breeders would at least give accurate descriptions

Thank you Hobbes,Brick,Duke,and Ent for the replies all have merit and have informative value.

I plan on doing more studying and reading.(I don't think you can ever do to much of that)And eventually purchasing some strains from some breeders for the sole purpose of seeing if they are any better than what I'm able to procure locally or have held onto in the past and report back at a later date.

"So If you was to do it again ?would you say buyer beware ?have your results been better sticking with tried and true strains that you've had some experience with?"

I would rely more on forum member reviews than on reviews posted on another site where I can't talk to the reviewer. Most of the strains I'm happiest with come from breeder's I had never heard of before joining this forum - then I ignored those breeders and bought Cannabis Cup winners from top rated breeders, and after growing the CC winners a few times I chuck the mothers because of poor quality highs.

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If I had to start all over, these things that I would do:

I'd flower out all 5 of Serious' strains.

I'd grow Black Widow or Seedsman White Widow.

I'd concentrate on clone-only breeders like Rez, Elite (may Science rest his soul), OGraskal, and Subcool.

I would buy NO feminized seeds.

I would pick my breeder before picking my strain.

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46and2 said:

Thank you Hobbes,Brick,Duke,and Ent for the replies all have merit and have informative value.

I plan on doing more studying and reading.(I don't think you can ever do to much of that)And eventually purchasing some strains from some breeders for the sole purpose of seeing if they are any better than what I'm able to procure locally or have held onto in the past and report back at a later date.

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I'm an old timer also 54, been growing since I was 13...lol. I grew up in Florida and we the smoke we got was always sativa and I grew from those seeds for years and years before these seed banks came around or before I learned of them anyway. I was always happy with what I grew and usually was able to grow better than what the seeds came from, then sometimes it was a complete bust.
I had a nice little pile of seeds that I had built up and labled where they came from what plants gave what seeds and such. Those seeds all got ripped off along with most of my other stuff, a real spring house cleaning....lol. Anyway in 2007 I bought my first seeds from Nirvana, ordered 3 times altoghter from them 1 once great, nothing the rest of the time. Researched breeders, seed banks and of course here has both great and poor sources of info.
This year I scrouged some seeds from a friend in the states to hold me over while I researched more. I got my grow in now almost finished and found my seeds and ordered them for the next grow.....soley from the research of the breeder and my sativas.
Most seed banks in my opinion probably have very good genetics at least better than us old timers had. I think that most are very over priced and as Brick Top said unstable.
I picked Sanniesseeds.com for my future breeding purposes. I did my research and with Sannie's assists I made my order that allows me to cross and back cross within a small pool of 5 strains. These strains are all related so I hope I am happy. They may not be the newest craze in the world of pot but I am sure that for $200 and 50 seeds more or less I will be happy.
I certainly don't plan on buying more if possible. If I do it will be with this same small seed shop where the owner answers his own emails. He also answers your questions on genetics and suggestions for breeding your stock.
Thanks for letting me ramble. Good Luck finding what you are looking for.

Hobbes said:

"So If you was to do it again ?would you say buyer beware ?have your results been better sticking with tried and true strains that you've had some experience with?"

I would rely more on forum member reviews than on reviews posted on another site where I can't talk to the reviewer. Most of the strains I'm happiest with come from breeder's I had never heard of before joining this forum - then I ignored those breeders and bought Cannabis Cup winners from top rated breeders, and after growing the CC winners a few times I chuck the mothers because of poor quality highs.

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If I had to start all over, these things that I would do:

I'd flower out all 5 of Serious' strains.

I'd grow Black Widow or Seedsman White Widow.

I'd concentrate on clone-only breeders like Rez, Elite (may Science rest his soul), OGraskal, and Subcool.

I would buy NO feminized seeds.

I would pick my breeder before picking my strain.

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Thanks Hobbes,what is funny is the Mr.Nice/seedsman Black Widow is one of the top five I was and have been seriously considering...

Being a old skool fart I've always been fond of the Sativa's (and I have some very nice outdoor strains)I'm going indoor and I'm worried about everything I have correlating to this type of environment,so I'm afraid ,hell i know my sativa's (there huge)will never do very well indoors ,so that's the reasoning for all of my lurking lol,But the wife is a fan of the Indicas (she smokes very little)but when she does she loves that couch lock,so I'm on the out look for something that appeases her too.


I want everyone to know I appreciate all of thier info that's been posted and I hope that others will post and give me there feedback


Hey CaneFan I bet you're happy after last night!!!!!

I am also a old fart and have been growing for many years. I had never purchased seeds from online until a couple of years ago. Where I live, there are not a bunch of "named" strains so to speak, so trying them before i grew was not an option.

The way I finally decided on what strains I would buy I did just as Hobbes has suggested, I chose the breeder first and then the strain.

I have never been someone who got all caught up in the color of the bud or the % of THC or any of the foo-foo strains. I grow simply to smoke the best cannabis I can grow regardless of color, look or history of strain. From my experience, if you go with a proven breeder, like Serious Seeds, you will get top shelf genetics. I have also learned that price should not be a determining factor. Less expensive seeds, like Seedsman White Widow, have given me as good or better results than some of the most expensive.

I have grown several different breeders starins anad the only ones that have earned a place in my garden are...
Seedsman White Widow
Serious Seeds Kali Mist
Cali Connection Larry OG Kush

All the rest have come and gone due to various reasons but the ones I have listed are true 'elite" strains for my personal tastes. Good luck and just do your research on breeder first and then the strain that has the type of high you are looking for.

46and2 said:

Thanks Hobbes,what is funny is the Mr.Nice/seedsman Black Widow is one of the top five I was and have been seriously considering...

Being a old skool fart I've always been fond of the Sativa's (and I have some very nice outdoor strains)I'm going indoor and I'm worried about everything I have correlating to this type of environment,so I'm afraid ,hell i know my sativa's (there huge)will never do very well indoors ,so that's the reasoning for all of my lurking lol,But the wife is a fan of the Indicas (she smokes very little)but when she does she loves that couch lock,so I'm on the out look for something that appeases her too.


I want everyone to know I appreciate all of thier info that's been posted and I hope that others will post and give me there feedback


Hey CaneFan I bet you're happy after last night!!!!!

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for indica afghan, og, or purple kush are some of the best but i recommend getting the L.A. confidential i heard its some really good shit

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I'm like Rocky, I have new strains in my garden every grow and only Serious Kali Mist and Bubblegum have earned spots so far. I've got Seedsman White Widow vegging now - weird that we have 2 of the same strains as keepers Rocky.

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"the wife is a fan of the Indicas (she smokes very little)but when she does she loves that couch lock,so I'm on the out look for something that appeases her too."

Medicine Man - Mr Nice
White Russian - Serious
Endless Sky - Dr Greenthumb
Querkel/Deep Purple/The Flav - Subcool
Jillybean - Subcool (not so couch lock, but she'll like it)

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