What to do? Help Please.

Medicated Bonsai

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I've been having an ongoing problem with my plant. I couldn't figure it out so I just let her ride since she was so close to harvest. Long story short, the problem progressed a lot quicker than I anticipated and it's beginning to affect my sugar leaves and not just the fan leaves.

Questions :
1 - Will this affect the overall quality or taste?
2 - Should I harvest early?
3 - Guesses on overall dry weight?


Sorry for the crappy picture with the Loupe, I haven't quite figured it out yet. A lot of the trich's seem to be going cloudy but there are a lot of white hairs still. I think around 70% orange and 30% white.

Also, SoCal seem's to be having a wet period and it's causing my humidity to sky rocket. The RH won't budge from 57-62%...It's reaching 69% during lights off now. Beginning to worry about mold a lot and we're supposed to have this weather for another few days yet.

Answers to the questions listed above and any suggestions for humidity control would be greatly appreciated. I'm currently running the A/C every so often to bring the RH down but, it gets icey cold in here. I can only run it for a few hours at a time before I have to shut it off. The humidity rises back up to around 60% pretty quickly. My weather app on the phone has the humidity levels at 89% for my area. It's been like this for about a week now.
 

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SPLFreak808

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1. Imhe, 90% of the time, healthy plants usually have more potency & quality for me.

2. The only time I've ever harvested early was from bugs/mold, if you can keep her going i would do so as you got maybe 2-3 weeks left.

3. A lb?

I live in a high RH city, never again will i flower without a dehu or a room that cant maintain 40-55rh 24/7 for atleast mid way through.

If you are truly covered with the proper nutes and everything is in range, you might want to go over those yellowing bud sites just to make sure it isnt rot taking hold, if not it could even be caused by watering too quickly or even too much as the soil can compact and/or get overwatered during high RH, this can happen easily during flowering.
 

curious2garden

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I've been having an ongoing problem with my plant. I couldn't figure it out so I just let her ride since she was so close to harvest. Long story short, the problem progressed a lot quicker than I anticipated and it's beginning to affect my sugar leaves and not just the fan leaves.

Questions :
1 - Will this affect the overall quality or taste?
2 - Should I harvest early?
3 - Guesses on overall dry weight?


Sorry for the crappy picture with the Loupe, I haven't quite figured it out yet. A lot of the trich's seem to be going cloudy but there are a lot of white hairs still. I think around 70% orange and 30% white.

Also, SoCal seem's to be having a wet period and it's causing my humidity to sky rocket. The RH won't budge from 57-62%...It's reaching 69% during lights off now. Beginning to worry about mold a lot and we're supposed to have this weather for another few days yet.

Answers to the questions listed above and any suggestions for humidity control would be greatly appreciated. I'm currently running the A/C every so often to bring the RH down but, it gets icey cold in here. I can only run it for a few hours at a time before I have to shut it off. The humidity rises back up to around 60% pretty quickly. My weather app on the phone has the humidity levels at 89% for my area. It's been like this for about a week now.
What are you growing in and what are you feeding? Are you supplementing Magnesium?
 

Medicated Bonsai

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1. Imhe, 90% of the time, healthy plants usually have more potency & quality for me.

2. The only time I've ever harvested early was from bugs/mold, if you can keep her going i would do so as you got maybe 2-3 weeks left.

3. A lb?

I live in a high RH city, never again will i flower without a dehu or a room that cant maintain 40-55rh 24/7 for atleast mid way through.

If you are truly covered with the proper nutes and everything is in range, you might want to go over those yellowing bud sites just to make sure it isnt rot taking hold, if not it could even be caused by watering too quickly or even too much as the soil can compact and/or get overwatered during high RH, this can happen easily during flowering.
I'll try to keep her goin. I check the buds pretty often and haven't seen any mold or signs of rot. I'm afraid to pull the buds apart and look at the insides as I might hurt them. The humidity seems to spike with this nasty weather. Hopefully this 1-2 weeks of high humidity doesn't cause mold. Will the discoloration of the sugar leaves affect the taste? Making it more harsh or nasty?
 

Medicated Bonsai

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What are you growing in and what are you feeding? Are you supplementing Magnesium?
I'm growing in a 5 gallon fabric pot with around 70% Black Magic Potting Soil and 30% BlackGold potting soil. I only feed MegaCrop and supplement CalMag with almost every watering. The mix is usually 2.5 Grams MC and 3ml of CalMag per gallon of RO water. The run off came out to around 950 on the last feed. I also use Real Growers Recharge(2.5 grams) every other feeding.
 

curious2garden

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I'm not a soil grower but what you have does not look like PM (I fought systemic PM on my Lucky Charms grow). I highly recommend Regalia for PM if you need it but I don't see it here. It looks to me like you have a severe Magnesium deficiency. Usually I'd recommend hitting them with a foliar but with your humidity being where it is I don't recommend that.

I highly recommend GH's CaliMagic, it has an excellent Ca:Mg ratio. But if you are in a lockout condition that won't help you. Since I don't know soil I can't help you find the fix but I can say I don't see any PM but what appears to be an Mg deficiency.

@Singlemalt is a far better grower than I and can grow in any substrate do you see any PM or anything else I'm missing?

PS I see you are using 3 ML CalMag/gal in RO water. I am on Southern California tap water and my tap runs about 250 mostly Ca/Mg right now and I still add 5 ML CaliMagic, try upping your CalMag to 7ML/gal, and see if that halts the progress (the older leaves won't heal). It shouldn't hurt you if it's not the fix.
 

Medicated Bonsai

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I'm not a soil grower but what you have does not look like PM (I fought systemic PM on my Lucky Charms grow). I highly recommend Regalia for PM if you need it but I don't see it here. It looks to me like you have a severe Magnesium deficiency. Usually I'd recommend hitting them with a foliar but with your humidity being where it is I don't recommend that.

I highly recommend GH's CaliMagic, it has an excellent Ca:Mg ratio. But if you are in a lockout condition that won't help you. Since I don't know soil I can't help you find the fix but I can say I don't see any PM but what appears to be an Mg deficiency.

@Singlemalt is a far better grower than I and can grow in any substrate do you see any PM or anything else I'm missing?
I've tried giving it a boost in CalMag by adding 5ml instead of 3 but it didn't seem to do anything. I have some epsom salt at my brothers, maybe this would be better? I'm not sure how much I should use in my case tho. My usual schedule is : Feed, plain water, plain water, repeat. The ppm's seem to drop from 1000 to 400 by the next time I feed. This seems to be very consistent. Also, the run off is usually only about a half cup or so.

Also, she suddenly slowed down on water a few weeks ago. I usually watered every 3 days but now I water every 5 days to a week.
 

curious2garden

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I've tried giving it a boost in CalMag by adding 5ml instead of 3 but it didn't seem to do anything. I have some epsom salt at my brothers, maybe this would be better? I'm not sure how much I should use in my case tho. My usual schedule is : Feed, plain water, plain water, repeat. The ppm's seem to drop from 1000 to 400 by the next time I feed. This seems to be very consistent. Also, the run off is usually only about a half cup or so.

Also, she suddenly slowed down on water a few weeks ago. I usually watered every 3 days but now I water every 5 days to a week.
Usually they slow down their drinking as they finish. How long have you been in flower?
 

Medicated Bonsai

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I'm seeing a Phosphorus def and possibly a K def as well; no sign of powdery mildew. I suggest lifting it out of the pot and checking roots. If roots are unhealthy you've watered too much and is likely the source of the nutrient prob. check the roots now
Would lifting it out of the pot hurt the root mass? I'm willing to do it but I suck at removing plants from fabric pots haha. Is there an easier way to doing this? I usually use a butterknife then peel the sides down but the rootmass always falls apart.
 

growingforfun

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So when everyone told you to relax and not worry last thread you made you ignored that, what answer would be better? Time to panic?
 

Medicated Bonsai

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So? What's up with the roots?
Sorry I was gonna take pictures for you but it got a bit messy haha. The roots seems to be fine. They're not glossy white but they're a bit off white..pearlish? They look ok tho.

I think you're right about my soil being too heavy tho. The very outsides and top seem to be very dry and crumples away easily. Anything below an inch or so (on sides and top surface) seems to be very compact. It doesn't want to crumple/break. It's like i'm scratching at it more than breakin bits off. Any advice for this? I don't think I can re-amend aeration so do I just ride it out?
 

growingforfun

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Sorry I was gonna take pictures for you but it got a bit messy haha. The roots seems to be fine. They're not glossy white but they're a bit off white..pearlish? They look ok tho.

I think you're right about my soil being too heavy tho. The very outsides and top seem to be very dry and crumples away easily. Anything below an inch or so (on sides and top surface) seems to be very compact. It doesn't want to crumple/break. It's like i'm scratching at it more than breakin bits off. Any advice for this? I don't think I can re-amend aeration so do I just ride it out?
I still wanna know if you'll listen if your told to relax and not worry about it or if you need differant advice...

Remember your causing harm to the plant with your actions and you want to be sure you dont do more damage by your "care" than the original issue.

You were told to relax and not worry, you then ignored that and worried and then ripped the plant out of a fabric pot to find out that it is fine. What else do you need to do before you finally realize you need to relax?
 

Medicated Bonsai

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So when everyone told you to relax and not worry last thread you made you ignored that, what answer would be better? Time to panic?
I started to worry because it's starting to affect my sugar leafs. If the bud's keep swelling throughout the last weeks then i'm guessing the sugar leafs will, somewhat, retract into the buds. If its anything harmful to ingest then i'd rather know right away. If it's possible to harvest early and avoid smoking something undesirable then I would rather do so. Is this forum not meant for help and research? Was I wrong to re-post since my problems keep progressing? Am I really panicking? Did I poison my plants with nutes, starve them, or chop early in a panic?
 

Singlemalt

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Ok, lift the whole pot, and note it's weight or even weigh it if you have a scale. Don't water until you lose 30% of that weight. If the plants continue to deteriorate before the next water, hit with 3% hydrogen peroxide to oxygenate it
 

growingforfun

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You can always stab the soil a hundred times with a long knife to aerate it ;)


There now you have both kinds of advice. Pick what fits.
 
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