what is the difference between regular and feminized seeds?
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That's news to me - I've grown out lots of fem'd seeds with nowhere near that ratio.
Please reference a source so I can read up on this.
Bigtacofarmer
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A good breeder should start a whole bunch of the strain they plan to make feminized seeds with, pick a selection of the desired phenotype. Take clones of the select pheno and do some stress tests (heat, light leaks, overwatering, etc.) then select the least prone to hermie for making feminized seeds. I have Reservas OG and G13 labs Raw Diesel (both fem) and have cloned off of them for a few years now and the only naners I've ever seen were on some clones I gave to a buddy in a 100 degree room. I prefer regular seeds when available but If your looking for clone only strains fem may be the way to go.
damn man it's fine to have a preference for regular seeds but don't go spreading misinformation about feminized seeds. 50% females to 50% hermies from feminized seeds is just not true.
I guess I'm still not getting what you're saying.
First off, commercially produced female seeds do not provide the 50/50 ratio you are claiming - it simply is not true.
Again, reference please.
you do realize we can look back and quote your original post right?
you said "Feminized seeds - 50% females / 50% hermi (Hermi has both male and female parts)" that's all you said. you didn't specify anything except that feminized seeds produce 50/50 female to hermie.
my bad. I guess when I read "IMO regular seeds is the best way to go" I was wrong in assuming that meant you had a preference.
hell even the price comparison in your original post is incorrect and skewed in an attempt to make regular seeds look like the better option.
I just don't get why you would want to spread misinformation just because you have a preference one way or the other.
resinousflowers
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if fem seeds are made in the right way,plants are no more likely to herm than plants from regular seeds.50%/50% female to herm ratio is nonsense.
I indulged in a bit of self edification - simply to confirm my position.
This from Henk, the founder of Dutch Passion seeds.
"All growers can count on increased yields: instead of the average sixty to forty percent female to male ratio, virtually every seed planted will result in a female producing harvest-able buds."
Reference: http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/1332.html
Your turn to provide a reputable source.
This from Henk, the founder of Dutch Passion seeds.
"All growers can count on increased yields: instead of the average sixty to forty percent female to male ratio, virtually every seed planted will result in a female producing harvest-able buds."
Reference: http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/articles/1332.html
Your turn to provide a reputable source.
resinousflowers
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yes fem seeds cost more,but if you buy regs you have to use more soil and nutes because you have to grow more plants to hopefully get the right amount of females.so the extra you spend on soil etc makes regs just as expensive as fems.also out of 10 regs you might get no more than 3 fems,whereas out of 5 fems you should get atleast 3 or 4 females.most growers will get 5 females.
none of those quotes or links mention anything about your claimed 50/50 ratio of female to hermie when using feminized seeds. they don't even come close to saying 50%. the closest you get is MrFishy who has only used three fem seeds.
Grumpy'
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First quote is from a new grower (at the time of his post) so not really proof to the 50/50 claim.
EDIT: I missed where you said same link, my bad.
Second quote (please provide link, less its a post in the first link) of his 3 time try, and admittedly says it could have been how he grew it. Last quote, any merit or clue as to who wrote it? Plus link two talks about regular seeds not femanized. I agree it isn't 100% with female, but 50/50 is a stretch.
If the strain is from a reputable company and breeder it increases the odds too. Literally hundreds of plants are grown to get a stable pheno to call it femanized. If it wasn't then it probably isn't from a reputable breeder. Just my .02.
EDIT: I missed where you said same link, my bad.
Second quote (please provide link, less its a post in the first link) of his 3 time try, and admittedly says it could have been how he grew it. Last quote, any merit or clue as to who wrote it? Plus link two talks about regular seeds not femanized. I agree it isn't 100% with female, but 50/50 is a stretch.
If the strain is from a reputable company and breeder it increases the odds too. Literally hundreds of plants are grown to get a stable pheno to call it femanized. If it wasn't then it probably isn't from a reputable breeder. Just my .02.
Toolage 87
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Yes I should have said what can cause a person to get either a female or a hermi from feminized seeds.
Well when I said IMO on that part I should have said why on that part to so I did mess up on my wording a bit.
The prices are different depending where you get your seeds from. The seedbank that I got my regular seeds from cost $50 for 15 unless I sent cash then I would have gotten 20 seeds for $50. They have some feminized seeds of some of the strains that they carry regular of and those sell for $80 for 10 but there are ones that are harder to find that cost $100.
There's a different seedbank that has only regular seeds that sell a pack of 10 seeds for $30
A 3rd different seedbank has regular seeds for around $50 to $140 for a 10 pack the one that cost $140 is very hard to find. They have feminized seeds that sell for $50 for 5 different kinds though that breeder doesn't have a good rep for their seeds and there's fem seeds that sell over $100 for 5
Male plants do not produce seeds !
Toolage 87
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Yes the regular seeds will have a 50% chance of it being a male or female.
No male plants do not produce seeds they only produce pollen sacks that have pollen in them. If you save the pollen or pollen sacks when the pollen is ready to harvest you can store it in the fridge or freezer for later use but you have to make sure the container is air tight and no moisture can get into it.
Remember to label the containers because the last thing you want is to use pollen that you don't know what strain its from unless you want a mystery strain.
If you have a female plant that you would like to get seeds from take the female plant out of the flowering room and into a different area of the house and take the pollen out and use a paint brush and dip it into the container that its in and brush the pistols. You can use this method to make the whole plant produce seeds or just the lower branches or do a bunch strain pollination on different branches.
Here's the link to the info on how to do a seed production A Tutorial
https://www.rollitup.org/breeders-paradise/20319-seed-production-tutorial.html
Yes that is true but if you grow it in hydro it would cost almost the same amount as if you were growing from fem seeds.
Also even if you do grow regular seeds you should be able to take 1 clone off each plant in around 1 month to 1 month 2 weeks. If you use a Aero Cloner you can find out what plants root the fastest and you can lable them or keep track of it some way.
I have heard of people getting mostly females from regular seeds. The Ice strain that I was growing people have said they have gotten maybe 1 to 3 males out of 15 seeds.
If I was able to clone I might have been another one of those people that got mostly females and 1 to 3 makes from 15 seeds.
So growing regular seeds or feminized seeds in hydro the cost of doing it would be almost the same.
The cost of growing regular seeds in soil is gonna be abit more but even if you get male plants you can collect their pollen save it and make a batch of seeds with it and have a seed stock.
smellzlikeskunkyum
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Feminized seeds are usually made by treating male pollen with a chemical that produces only female seeds. Typically feminized seeds are much more apt to produce stable Phenotypes. Clone only strains that are made into seed are Female plants that have been treated to pollenate themselves, and then the product is very much like the orignial.
Reg seeds are good for breeding, for a few reasons too. One is obvious, u need males to breed. Another that is overlooked, is that when u use regular seeds u have more of a chance to obtain a rare phenotype that wouldnt exist in the feminized form. U could take a pack of FEM NL#5 and a pack of REG NL#5 both sensi seed brand, plant all of both packs, and the regular seeds plants would be more likely to vary from plant to plant. the feminized seeds would produce nearly identical offspring from seed to seed, making very homogenous plants.
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oh and by the way... ive been growing a LONG time. inside and outside. clones, seeds, feminized seeds, etc. just thought id share a bit of my credentials.
Reg seeds are good for breeding, for a few reasons too. One is obvious, u need males to breed. Another that is overlooked, is that when u use regular seeds u have more of a chance to obtain a rare phenotype that wouldnt exist in the feminized form. U could take a pack of FEM NL#5 and a pack of REG NL#5 both sensi seed brand, plant all of both packs, and the regular seeds plants would be more likely to vary from plant to plant. the feminized seeds would produce nearly identical offspring from seed to seed, making very homogenous plants.
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oh and by the way... ive been growing a LONG time. inside and outside. clones, seeds, feminized seeds, etc. just thought id share a bit of my credentials.
