What I'm up to , True living organics

I just started reading this book THe Rev. I think he writes for high times. So yeah been working for this organic farm last 6 months and learned a lot thru them. I'm pretty sure with the knowledge I show them and tell them they know what I'm up to hehe. But either way their vegetables were and are much better then the cheap non organic veggies at the store. Any who applying that to Meds is alittle diffrent so I bought this book. So I'm going from hydro to soil. Sounds backwards for me but it's not about producing a ton. I'm more or less happy with 12 bomb plants that I can be proud of. It will be my 1st journal in like 3 years and I'm very excited. Cheer and I hope all of you who know me are doing well , and all the new people as well. I've got 3 in 10 gallon pots and I can already see the diffrence. Hydro more less shoots up even with topping loves to go straight up. ( I don't have the grow room to train them in , so I just top ) where with the soil they bush bush bush no matter what the strain. Any who I'm very excited and hope it makes u all interested as well. Cheers.

Hey I have been running The Revs TLO style for about a year now, it produces great tasting bud just lower yields than hydro but I manage 3-4 onces primo bud from 5 gals. Hit me up if u need anything.

For sure dude thanks a lot. I went to the grow hut yesterday and they only had one brand of soil that was msri certified , if that's not right 100 % organic meaning zero synthetics you know what I mean just don't have the book on me. Anyways thanks I'll take u up on th offer. I'm planning on using Neptunes harvest line , I also haven't read the whole book yet so maybe that will change. I'm only on chapter 3 atm. I totally dig the idea.

I use happy frog mix it with a bag of coco and a bag of earth worm castings, I then amend with all the organic fertilizers. I use the brand espoma because its easy to find locally (home depot, and most grow shops I go to can get them) then let the soil sit for about three to four weeks.

awesome I love the idea of this, its the way everyone grew till cheap chemical fertilizers came out. I just need a reverse osmosis machine or just get my water tested but i think its got some bad in it. Until then im using west coast something on my 3 in soil. Their OMRI so i dont feel guity but my plans is all about true living organics.

I'll definitely follow this, what was the soil recipe? Thanks.

I am brand new to all this. This seems like a lot of good info to digest. I look forward to reading more posts. I hope to be able to show my results and compare with everyone else.

Hey Tamorin, just curious what is your soil mix looking like?

Tamorin said:

I just started reading this book THe Rev. I think he writes for high times. So yeah been working for this organic farm last 6 months and learned a lot thru them. I'm pretty sure with the knowledge I show them and tell them they know what I'm up to hehe. But either way their vegetables were and are much better then the cheap non organic veggies at the store. Any who applying that to Meds is alittle diffrent so I bought this book. So I'm going from hydro to soil. Sounds backwards for me but it's not about producing a ton. I'm more or less happy with 12 bomb plants that I can be proud of. It will be my 1st journal in like 3 years and I'm very excited. Cheer and I hope all of you who know me are doing well , and all the new people as well. I've got 3 in 10 gallon pots and I can already see the diffrence. Hydro more less shoots up even with topping loves to go straight up. ( I don't have the grow room to train them in , so I just top ) where with the soil they bush bush bush no matter what the strain. Any who I'm very excited and hope it makes u all interested as well. Cheers.

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I switched back to organic soil from organic Hydro about 6 months back. Best decision I've made in a long time. Taste, looks, high, everything is so much better, I'd forgotten. And really, yield didn't suffer, just takes a little longer to grow. but way less time fucking with meters and bullshit. Soil is so stress free. Good luck man.

smokecat said:

I switched back to organic soil from organic Hydro about 6 months back. Best decision I've made in a long time. Taste, looks, high, everything is so much better, I'd forgotten. And really, yield didn't suffer, just takes a little longer to grow. but way less time fucking with meters and bullshit. Soil is so stress free. Good luck man.

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Hey smoke what are you growing with? I have been water only for about 15 months now and will not use another line of bottles nutes ever what a joke.

What the name of the book. I cannot find it. ... Found it ... Helps if i type it right!

TryN said:

What the name of the book. I cannot find it. ... Found it ... Helps if i type it right!

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what book?

kahgknow said:

Hey smoke what are you growing with? I have been water only for about 15 months now and will not use another line of bottles nutes ever what a joke.

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I agree 100%. I use roots organics 707 and I add a little perlite and vermiculite, some greensand, some rockphosphate, worm castings, lime, some shrimp compost, diatomaceous earth, then some epsoma organic fertilizer and thats it. beautiful plants, beautiful buds. the only additive I use is some kelp in my water when they are babies. I agree liquid ferts are a joke. I'm actually sitting on a bunch of organic liquid ferts that I will use in my outdoor veggie garden in the spring. It's crazy what a big business this is and how crazy people go for imaginary gains. I see all these people adding a million crazy things, cooking their soil for months etc. I reuse my soil, add a little fresh soil and the above amendments, and no problems- just gets better each time. Insane how much people want to spend to grow a simple plant. Consumer culture my friend.

Shrimp compost? That sounds like something I would be interested in where do you find that? I like to use the lobster compost from coast of maine. I think you would do good adding some kelp meal and alfalfa meal to your soil mix other than that and the fact that I don't really care for roots organic (just personal opinion I think peat/cocoa shells/lime is easier than buying a bag of premixed soil) your soil mix seems good. I use the epsoma as well I did the tomato tone first grow but am using the plant tone now. I put a few different things in my mix I like the diversity but I am going to be making a (hopefully) final soil mix to run no till in and going to take a few things out. My mix will probably someting along the lines of Peat Moss, Cocoa Shells (maybe Rice Hulls), Dr Earth Compost (or Down To Earth I can't remember I get the two confused), CoM Lobster Compost, CoM Earthworm Castings, Basalt Dust, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Neem/Karanja Meal, Epsoma Fertilizer, North County Organics Fertilizer, and Composted Chicken Manure. Yeah something like that I add 4-5 cups per cf of the Basalt Dust and since I am doing no till I will probably do 2 cups Kelp and 1 cup of everything else per cf of my base mix. And cycle that and then I will run no-till. That is my plan. I like that we can each mix up our own unique soils and we all come up with great results it can be as simple as you want or as complex as you want but they all produce great results. I know I cannot say the same for all those nutrient companies, yes you can get great results growing with any method, I just think you really need to take the time to learn the strain to grow it well with the bottles where as you have a lot more room for error if you mix up your own mix. Plus nature doesn't need somebody to feed it why do my plants need me to feed them? Just my 2 cents anyways.

Oh jeez I just replied hugely to this and it got lost. Short answer. 707 is because I'm lazy plus limited space to mix my batches.
I may try the kelp meal and alfalfa next time. I do use the kelp powder in water and as a foliar.
Not familiar with neem/karanja meal(I am familiar with liquid neem but not this)..
Shrimp compost I get from my friend who lives near HTG supply.
If you aren't already doing it you should make your own worm bin. Fantastic way to save loot.
I use Garden tone mainly, I use the starter one when they are in their 1 gallons.
I also use Oregonism XL sparingly and find my roots thrive with it.

I am familiar with no-till outside but are you saying you are doing it in containers? Or are you just talking about recycling your soil?

It's true though great results can be had with many differents inputs. Hell, the first run I did 15 years ago was regular old potting soil and it came out decent. I had gnats forever but it worked. And hydro treated me well for a while, it just didn't have the taste and smoothness I get from soil organics. Plus it's like fucking chemistry, too many measuring spoons for me.

I think I have fungus gnats but I will not freak out like when I first got spider mites. The ladies are happy as can be so I will address the issue and things should be fine. Having limited space for such a big hobby sucks my grow rooms are so tiny and when the plants grow the room shrinks that is a fact. Lol. I mean it is good but not when you have to move your plants just to get to the other side of the room. I have not done kelp meal as a foliar spray but I have done alfalfa as one and it makes some tight internodes that is for sure. It contains triacontonol which is a growth regulator.
Neem meal - http://www.greenstone.org/greenstone3/nzdl;jsessionid=38F1C58A1DF6829AC547F1D0ABCD9CAD?a=d&c=envl&d=HASH01462dfbcb8f8d8b5899d364.8&sib=1&p.a=b&p.sa=&p.s=ClassifierBrowse&p.c=envl this should have some good information as to why I use the neem meal in my soil.
I do indeed have my own worm bin, I actually only have a little one right now but am considering putting it into a 30 gallon container. More castings and hopefully they willl produce quicker as well.
For the no-till yes I will be trying it in a container, I know the forums I got into organic from there are quite a few running no-till. 10 gallons + seems to be a good size for it indoors. Harvest a plant drop some castings in transplant a new lady topdress with some more castings and keep going. That seems to be how it is done. I will see how it goes.
I am unfamiliar with Oregonism XL what is this? And I agree hydro doesn't have the quality for the amount of energy put into it. I am not saying you cannot get good results just too much work for me. Ever since I have been organic I can smell the difference between an organic bud and a bottled nute bud. I must say the two times I have been tested I got the "taste" wrong on which was which, but it is unfair to test a strain that was chemically grown and harvest months before the organic one I think a more fair test would be two harvested the same day. If one is cured it will always taste better IMO.

Get yellow sticky sheets and put them on top of the soil. ASAP or you will regret it.

they also make grow stones grinder up that you put on top of soil and it will kill them too

I second what Wavegem said. Get some yellow sticky sheets, plus get mosquito dunks from Lowes/depot, crush them up and sprinkle on soil or put in water let sit for a bit and water in. It's BT and will kill the gnats. those fuckers will eat your roots.

You should definitely do a big bin. I started with like 2 pounds of worms I have a million now. I'm splitting mine and giving a friend a bin. They grow like crazy with space and food! I feed them all my food scraps and all my fan leaves/plant waste lol.

The Oregonism is just Mycorrhizae. I have used different brands but this one seems to be working well.

I can't wrap my mind around no-till indoors. In my experience containers get too compact at the bottom. Outdoors I'm all for it, dig a hole, add a little compost, plant and then add a 3" layer of mulch/compost. But outside you have mulch, you have worms and clover to break up the soil and provide aeration. I would be afraid that the roots would not get enough oxygen. I'm interested to hear how this turns out for you. Do you find you get enough of a benefit using 10 gallons? Seems like a lot of veg time, is the result worth it?

I find chem-soil weed usually burns black and burns my throat. Not so in flushed chem hydro, but even perfect organic hydro lacks full flavor. Looks nice though. I always prefer fully cured organic soil grown.

For the fungus gnats, I am just going to take some yellow construction paper with vaseline and get the bastards. I will look into the mosquito dunks tomorrow at lowes.
I try to give all my food to my worms/compost. I have been adding some of my soil amendments as well and a little rock dust too. I figured the oregonism was mycorrhizae because you mentioned your roots. I have not used any mycorrhizae yet but hopefully in the future. One step at a time. Lol. I want to experiment with the BioAg humic and fulvic acids as well, I hear that is some powerful stuff.
I have seen of people doing it and they were on their like 10th plants in the same container. I also heard about someone who had been doing it for 7 years. I think it is a great concept and can definitely be achieved from what I have seen. Oh btw, I have worms in my soil too. Can't go wrong with fresh castings in the soil.
Well let me say this about the 2 plants I am currently in 10 gallon smart pots with. Everything else has been in 5 gal plastic or smaller. The first 10 gallon plant was a Jillybean, she was pretty big when we got her, we put her in veg for us on Jan 1st she was in flower before february (not sure on exact date something like 25 days). She was 3ft x 3ft when I measured last week. The other plant we got at pretty much the same time and is a White Widow. She was a clone and was tiny tiny she will probably be bigger than I was hoping for by the time she goes into flower but that is only because the flower room is full. I do like the 10 gallons more than the 5 gallons though. The white widow was a better comparison and at 1 1/2ish months of veg maybe 2, I think what I would have had in a 5 gallon bucket would hae been much much less (and the clone I put into the 10 gallon was maybe 1/2 the size of what I usually put in a 5 gallon). With the smart pots once the roots started coming out of the bottom of the container they really took off. This is my first run with smart pots as well as 10 gallons. I will stick with it. This is just my 2 cents and I have not used the smart pots or 10 gallons enough to give you a good comparison either as both strains this is my first time growing them. But I love what I see. And with how big the Jillybean is in flower at only like 3 or 4 weeks I think the yield will be more than double what I was getting with a 5 gallon.

right on. yeah the dunks take time but they do work. maybe i'll try a 10 and see what happens. I don't usually veg very long, have to make some adjustments...