What are the implications of cloned meat for consumption?

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Scientists in Japan have succeeded in cloning mice to the 25th generation; http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/scientists-perfect-mouse-re-cloning-to-the-25th-generation

I've read since the genetics are exactly the same, it reduces the variation in the gene pool were cloned subjects to reproduce. This would cause similarities and anomalies in the genetic makeup of each individual offspring, if the subjects were to reproduce.

Would this have any overall effect on the human population consuming the product?

 
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Padawanbater2 said:
Scientists in Japan have succeeded in cloning mice to the 25th generation; http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/scientists-perfect-mouse-re-cloning-to-the-25th-generation

I've read since the genetics are exactly the same, it reduces the variation in the gene pool were cloned subjects to reproduce. This would cause similarities and anomalies in the genetic makeup of each individual offspring, if the subjects were to reproduce.

Would this have any overall effect on the human population consuming the product?

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Why would you need the animals to reproduce when you can just make clones?
 
Padawanbater2

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If they did reproduce and humans ate generations of cloned animals, do they know if that would have any side effects on humans?
 
tyler.durden

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I don't understand why there's really no genetic degradation when cloning plants, but cloning mammals seems to be fraught with it. I think the explanation would have something to do with mammals being much more complex than plants, maybe MP will be here soon to enlighten us ;) I once had a girlfriend who was just amazing in every way; sexy, great back rubs, good cook, etc. I had hit the jackpot! Being the forward thinker that I am, I locked her away and cut off all of her fingers and toes. I put them all into 2 inch neoprene pucks and into my ez cloner they went. Sure enough, ten days later they all had roots! I put them all into a special soil-less mix under a couple 1000w hortilux bulbs. Today I have 20 perfect, identical girlfriends (I seemed to have ruined the original). Top that, Japan!
 
Moebius

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tyler.durden said:
I don't understand why there's really no genetic degradation when cloning plants, but cloning mammals seems to be fraught with it. I think the explanation would have something to do with mammals being much more complex than plants, maybe MP will be here soon to enlighten us ;) I once had a girlfriend who was just amazing in every way; sexy, great back rubs, good cook, etc. I had hit the jackpot! Being the forward thinker that I am, I locked her away and cut off all of her fingers and toes. I put them all into 2 inch neoprene pucks and into my ez cloner they went. Sure enough, ten days later they all had roots! I put them all into a special soil-less mix under a couple 1000w hortilux bulbs. Today I have 20 perfect, identical girlfriends (I seemed to have ruined the original). Top that, Japan!
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Many plants naturally clone themselves in nature anyway. Since this method of reproduction is well established in the plant kingdom, it stands to reason methods would exist to produce this in other plants.

For some plants cloning is still very difficult.
 
Dalek Supreme

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Only implication I see is people with signs,and screaming "Your playing God!",When God just wants us to use our heads for the benefit of the whole planet in the first place.
 
Doer

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Padawanbater2 said:
Scientists in Japan have succeeded in cloning mice to the 25th generation; http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/scientists-perfect-mouse-re-cloning-to-the-25th-generation

I've read since the genetics are exactly the same, it reduces the variation in the gene pool were cloned subjects to reproduce. This would cause similarities and anomalies in the genetic makeup of each individual offspring, if the subjects were to reproduce.

Would this have any overall effect on the human population consuming the product?

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The only difference I know about from Dolly the Sheep and other experiments is the telmerase, bio-age problem.

A clone does not get a re-set on the aging hormones, etc. Dolly was born essential at the same bio-age as the mother clone.

It that bad for meat?
 
Dalek Supreme

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Doer said:
The only difference I know about from Dolly the Sheep and other experiments is the telmerase, bio-age problem.

A clone does not get a re-set on the aging hormones, etc. Dolly was born essential at the same bio-age as the mother clone.

It that bad for meat?
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That sounds plausable,but I picture growing muscle like in a DWC type of nute solution using biochemil activators.If continuesly growing muscle cells have an age limit then you just restart with a younger donor.

The thing is we have this technology,but it costs like $200,000.00 US to make a hamburger patty.

Peta has a million dollar reward for marketable cloned meet,for no animal needs to be slaughtered.I am sure in my own opinion
there are hidden labs with not only such tech to do this,but also have the knowledge to shut down the age markers (genetic codes that slows body regeneration) or extend it's activation to a later age.

As for danger for consumption in my own opinion no not at all,but with a big BUTT.... Think of the crap they feed us now,and
not mentioning pharma.I would happily consume cloned meat,even if texture was off atleast it would be good hamburgers.I do not see any danger when done ethicaly,and proper controls.
 
Doer

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Well the Solient Green, is very good, tonight, I hear. :)

I think there won't be any problem about the cloning or vat growing beef synthetic protein, or anything. There will certainly be somethng.

It will be the additives, and the deaths, the blame and the lies. As usual.
 
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ilikecheetoes

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i dont know. just seems gross to me. rather cut the ass off a pig than eat meat goo. Although they are feeding us some pink glue shit already in most of the meats we eat.
 
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silasraven

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well if they clone the it there are chances of mutation, implications for hazards when they take the hormones and mess with them to get it to respond. we dont know what happens with the hidden DNA plus what ever variable is in that science.
 
mudminer

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ilikecheetoes said:
i dont know. just seems gross to me. rather cut the ass off a pig than eat meat goo. Although they are feeding us some pink glue shit already in most of the meats we eat.
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dude, it goes way beyond some pink slime in our ground meats. 20 some odd yrs ago when i worked for a tysons poultry kill plant, they were pumping so much hormone into those birds that they were being grown out from hatchery to 3-5 lb roasters in 6 weeks. now i understand that it could be as fast as 4-5 weeks. thats just the whole birds and cut up pieces. i wont go into what i saw in the grinding rooms where the sausage and filler type crap was made. i still cant eat anything but all beef sausage and hot dogs made at a local butcher shop and only then cuz they let me watch for a bit how they did it one day. oh, and i dont buy tyson products at all since then just on principal, based on things i saw there.
 
Padawanbater2

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mudminer said:
dude, it goes way beyond some pink slime in our ground meats. 20 some odd yrs ago when i worked for a tysons poultry kill plant, they were pumping so much hormone into those birds that they were being grown out from hatchery to 3-5 lb roasters in 6 weeks. now i understand that it could be as fast as 4-5 weeks. thats just the whole birds and cut up pieces. i wont go into what i saw in the grinding rooms where the sausage and filler type crap was made. i still cant eat anything but all beef sausage and hot dogs made at a local butcher shop and only then cuz they let me watch for a bit how they did it one day. oh, and i dont buy tyson products at all since then just on principal, based on things i saw there.
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What went on in the grinding room and why don't you buy Tyson products?
 
Nutes and Nugs

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Padawanbater2 said:
Scientists in Japan have succeeded in cloning mice to the 25th generation; http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/scientists-perfect-mouse-re-cloning-to-the-25th-generation

I've read since the genetics are exactly the same, it reduces the variation in the gene pool were cloned subjects to reproduce. This would cause similarities and anomalies in the genetic makeup of each individual offspring, if the subjects were to reproduce.

Would this have any overall effect on the human population consuming the product?

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I'm sure the everyday meat we eat has it's abnormalities though I think are bodies wouldn't give a damn.
I would be worried about the steroids though.
Remember those old studies in the 50's where the govt was giving over-steroid fed cows to the starving Africans?
The women were growing huge tits and asses and the men huge penises, and it still goes on today. :-P
 
Padawanbater2

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Nutes and Nugs said:
I'm sure the everyday meat we eat has it's abnormalities though I think are bodies wouldn't give a damn.
I would be worried about the steroids though.
Remember those old studies in the 50's where the govt was giving over-steroid fed cows to the starving Africans?
The women were growing huge tits and asses and the men huge penises, and it still goes on today. :-P
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mudminer

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Padawanbater2 said:
What went on in the grinding room and why don't you buy Tyson products?
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its probly just a mental thing with me that stems from what i know about their grow out process. im not saying any other major producer does things differently but organic birds just seem a better choice to me. but regardless, please always wash fresh foods (meat n veg) in a clean location with clean utensils n hands. as far as the grinding areas of commercial plants are concerned, lets face it ground meat will never be the cleanest product around but seeing spilled product shovelled up off of the floors and tossed into the same vats it was spilled from then sent out the door for further processing is just wrong to me. you just cant wash that shit. all ground meats are permitted a certain amount of "foreign matter" in it by the usda. this could include but would not be limitted to insects and their fesces, rodents and rodent fesces and rodent hair. that list goes on and on. now in all fairness to this particular tysons plant i never saw any rodents or even their sign in the several years i worked there and as a welder/mechanic i had access to locations other employees wouldnt and these locations were excellent potential habitat for the little bastards.
 
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