Welfare to work. requirement

insid33

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Instead of welfare to work programs, sorry I forgot the annointed one did away with it. How bout work for welfare. I know I pay enough in taxes for these so called entitlements. Is it wrong to think these folks that are able, should come cut my grass or something in return? For GODs sake have these folks ever felt pride or wanted to.
 
Instead of welfare to work programs, sorry I forgot the annointed one did away with it. How bout work for welfare. I know I pay enough in taxes for these so called entitlements. Is it wrong to think these folks that are able, should come cut my grass or something in return? For GODs sake have these folks ever felt pride or wanted to.
Apart from the ridiculously arrogant tone you've taken, I can't necessarily disagree with the idea of working for your welfare.
 
Instead of welfare to work programs, sorry I forgot the annointed one did away with it. How bout work for welfare. I know I pay enough in taxes for these so called entitlements. Is it wrong to think these folks that are able, should come cut my grass or something in return? For GODs sake have these folks ever felt pride or wanted to.

we have had that before. it doesnt work, and it cares nothing for the welfare of it's captives.

dickensian workhouses, debtor's prisons, the WPA, all failed miserably.

we have a surplus of labour, and as a result there is no "work" to be had unless the unemployed move to a new location, which means becoming homeless unless you have a sizeable cache of cash to set yourself up in north dakota or wyoming, or one of the other states with a labour shortage.

instituting "workfare" simply transforms the jobless into thralls of the state, never having enough money to move to where they can find work, and never able to get the "education training and skills" to become gainfuly employed in the industires where there are openings locally.

the previous "bootstrap" option of bygone eras were itinerant farm labour, but farm labour is now handled by the excess labour force from other countries.

the leftist solution is of course to throw OUR money at the problem and hope somehow the inner cities and impoverished rural areas can somehow "grow their way out of it" while they do everything in their power to stifle growth in any industry which requires labour by regulating away our industries to foreign lands which are too poor to afford the luxury of eco-lunacy and a "service based economy".

the neo-con solution is to tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps while simultaneously taking their boots away and giving it to anybody in a foreign land who will work cheaper.

the industrial mobilization of the mid 20th century has drastically altered the social landscape, by pushing vast numbers of people into the urban areas, while the "free trade" nonsense of the late 20th, and early 21st has eliminated the jobs created by that industrial mobilization, and sending those jobs to other nations in pursuit of higher profits from even more oppressed and impoverished foreigners who will work for even less.

as long as we export our wealth to import our goods the cycle will continue, and niether the leftists not the neo-cons has any desire to change the system which has worked so well for them over the last 80 years or so.

divisive political rhetoric has created creatures like bucky and cheezie who will say and do anything to defend their chosen line of bullshit with cries of racism, bigotry and being a meanie, and rabid nutcases on the other side who will attack anyone who disagrees with their narrative by embracing the same hyper-emotional, thought free jingoism that bucky and cheezie attack so gleefully.

it's a national pissing contest, and it leaves us all soaked in urine while the real villains enjoy their 3 martini lunches and limousine rides at our expense.

and then there's the anarcho-self-deluded.

thats a story in itself
 
we have had that before. it doesnt work, and it cares nothing for the welfare of it's captives.

dickensian workhouses, debtor's prisons, the WPA, all failed miserably.

we have a surplus of labour, and as a result there is no "work" to be had unless the unemployed move to a new location, which means becoming homeless unless you have a sizeable cache of cash to set yourself up in north dakota or wyoming, or one of the other states with a labour shortage.

instituting "workfare" simply transforms the jobless into thralls of the state, never having enough money to move to where they can find work, and never able to get the "education training and skills" to become gainfuly employed in the industires where there are openings locally.

the previous "bootstrap" option of bygone eras were itinerant farm labour, but farm labour is now handled by the excess labour force from other countries.

the leftist solution is of course to throw OUR money at the problem and hope somehow the inner cities and impoverished rural areas can somehow "grow their way out of it" while they do everything in their power to stifle growth in any industry which requires labour by regulating away our industries to foreign lands which are too poor to afford the luxury of eco-lunacy and a "service based economy".

the neo-con solution is to tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps while simultaneously taking their boots away and giving it to anybody in a foreign land who will work cheaper.

the industrial mobilization of the mid 20th century has drastically altered the social landscape, by pushing vast numbers of people into the urban areas, while the "free trade" nonsense of the late 20th, and early 21st has eliminated the jobs created by that industrial mobilization, and sending those jobs to other nations in pursuit of higher profits from even more oppressed and impoverished foreigners who will work for even less.

as long as we export our wealth to import our goods the cycle will continue, and niether the leftists not the neo-cons has any desire to change the system which has worked so well for them over the last 80 years or so.

divisive political rhetoric has created creatures like bucky and cheezie who will say and do anything to defend their chosen line of bullshit with cries of racism, bigotry and being a meanie, and rabid nutcases on the other side who will attack anyone who disagrees with their narrative by embracing the same hyper-emotional, thought free jingoism that bucky and cheezie attack so gleefully.

it's a national pissing contest, and it leaves us all soaked in urine while the real villains enjoy their 3 martini lunches and limousine rides at our expense.

and then there's the anarcho-self-deluded.

thats a story in itself
So the unemployed couldn't spend a few hours a day picking up litter from the streets or some equally "skilled" job?

Nope, free handouts is what they need.

Cool story, bro.

Also you call for protectionism?

Good luck trying to domestically produce all goods and services required.
 
Why don't we just let the states vote if they want welfare or not? I bet we could get some of those Southern states off the rolls and save lots of money.
 
Why don't we just let the states vote if they want welfare or not? I bet we could get some of those Southern states off the rolls and save lots of money.
Minorities use welfare in disproportionate amounts, maybe just kick them out and save even more money?

Or just stop abusing statistics for your own purposes?
 
So the unemployed couldn't spend a few hours a day picking up litter from the streets or some equally "skilled" job?

Nope, free handouts is what they need.

Cool story, bro.

Also you call for protectionism?

Good luck trying to domestically produce all goods and services required.

the govt make work programs never stay at just a few hours a week, it will inevitably become forced servitude, just as the workhouses and wpa did.

further, the US is more than capable of producing everything it needs.

"protectionism" is what we call self sufficiency, and yes it would be preferable to a tottering economy dependent on foreign cheap labour.
 
Instead of welfare to work programs, sorry I forgot the annointed one did away with it. How bout work for welfare. I know I pay enough in taxes for these so called entitlements. Is it wrong to think these folks that are able, should come cut my grass or something in return? For GODs sake have these folks ever felt pride or wanted to.

actually, obama did not do away with the work requirement.

only a really stupid person would believe that. it takes many more magnitudes of stupid to repeat it though.

but look who i am talking to.
 
actually, obama did not do away with the work requirement.

only a really stupid person would believe that. it takes many more magnitudes of stupid to repeat it though.

but look who i am talking to.

You mean repeat it even after it was thouroughly debunked over a year ago?
 
Just last night, I watched a lady get 20 bucks back off her food card, and turn around and buy smokes with it. Actually, she bought 3, then realized she still had enough left for a 4th pack, so she went ahead and bought that one too. The majority of these people are never going to even attempt to better their situation. If she could of got 5 packs, she would have.

This education some of you speak that they need. Where the fuck are they gonna get it? Keep putting free money in their hands, and damn few are actually gonna use it to go better their situation. Most will just do as this lady did and stock up on whatever bullshit it is they enjoy at the cost of their neighbors.

The welfare system should be used for improvement of life for those who need that helping hand for whatever reason, not to sustain poverty. We need to set limits so those who are able to work will actually get out there and work.
 
Personally im thankful we live in a country that has welfare . One thing that always seems to go unnoticed . Is how many people on welfare are mental ill . You know ive used public transportation before ive seen people who have strait up have schizophrenia, dementia, and others . We are not civilized enough to really treat these people . But we make sure the have housing food and a check . That's at least a start . I don't know if I agree that all people on welfare should work or could work . But I do know that if you made a voluntary program were people could pay back in there own way you would probley get a wave of voluntary help willing to work to pay back . but I think if you made it mandatory a lot of the mental ill and other people who have already fallen through the cracks might not be able to really do it . just my 2 cents .
 
Just last night, I watched a lady get 20 bucks back off her food card, and turn around and buy smokes with it. Actually, she bought 3, then realized she still had enough left for a 4th pack, so she went ahead and bought that one too. The majority of these people are never going to even attempt to better their situation. If she could of got 5 packs, she would have.

This education some of you speak that they need. Where the fuck are they gonna get it? Keep putting free money in their hands, and damn few are actually gonna use it to go better their situation. Most will just do as this lady did and stock up on whatever bullshit it is they enjoy at the cost of their neighbors.

The welfare system should be used for improvement of life for those who need that helping hand for whatever reason, not to sustain poverty. We need to set limits so those who are able to work will actually get out there and work.
We offer extra free money if people take and pass certain education courses.

Carrot on the stick job.
 
Just last night, I watched a lady get 20 bucks back off her food card, and turn around and buy smokes with it. Actually, she bought 3, then realized she still had enough left for a 4th pack, so she went ahead and bought that one too. The majority of these people are never going to even attempt to better their situation. If she could of got 5 packs, she would have.

This education some of you speak that they need. Where the fuck are they gonna get it? Keep putting free money in their hands, and damn few are actually gonna use it to go better their situation. Most will just do as this lady did and stock up on whatever bullshit it is they enjoy at the cost of their neighbors.

The welfare system should be used for improvement of life for those who need that helping hand for whatever reason, not to sustain poverty. We need to set limits so those who are able to work will actually get out there and work.

That lady could just get a job that pays minimum wage then after child care expenses, rent and food ending up with less resources than she has now

Or your story could just be a big bowl of dicks

What color was this alleged welfare cheater?
 
Just last night, I watched a lady get 20 bucks back off her food card, and turn around and buy smokes with it. Actually, she bought 3, then realized she still had enough left for a 4th pack, so she went ahead and bought that one too. The majority of these people are never going to even attempt to better their situation. If she could of got 5 packs, she would have.

This education some of you speak that they need. Where the fuck are they gonna get it? Keep putting free money in their hands, and damn few are actually gonna use it to go better their situation. Most will just do as this lady did and stock up on whatever bullshit it is they enjoy at the cost of their neighbors.

The welfare system should be used for improvement of life for those who need that helping hand for whatever reason, not to sustain poverty. We need to set limits so those who are able to work will actually get out there and work.

the "EBT" card is not just foodstamps, it is also used for cash aid, unemployment, and basically any other state run program. it's cheaper than sending out checks.
 
We offer extra free money if people take and pass certain education courses.

Carrot on the stick job.

in california if you go to community college or a trade school your "benefits" are cut, and in some cases stopped.

it's designed to be a catch 22.

the various programs are carefully constructed to ensure that if you are on welfare, you must sit on your ass and have babies.
 
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