Water in my res raising ph?

papa canna

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I checked my water today after ph'ing it 2 days ago. and the ph had gone up by about 1.2 But I did not then or at any point add nutrients into this water. I have freshly potted into some soil, so i'm just adding ph'd water. That's not suppose to happen is it? I have pretty decent tap water here with about 115 ppm.
 
Interesting observation. Changes in CO2 levels will affect PH but I don't know how much CO2 levels change as water sits. Temperature will generally increase, DO levels will drop. Some of the stuff in your water will oxidize out. Possible that you bucket material could be buffering? Also possible you have a measurement error. Hope someone else has better explanation.
 
All water rises in ph if it contains alkaline elements. At ph4.2 it will stop rising as it has reached its ionization point.

Welcome to the amazing world of tap water....WOW!!!
 
100% normal

I used to adjust every day at lights on.
Bonus points if you can explain the science of a standing bucket of tap water increasing in ph over time. Not sure I understand why you would ph water going on a soil grow unless your tap is seriously out of range.
 
Bonus points if you can explain the science of a standing bucket of tap water increasing in ph over time. Not sure I understand why you would ph water going on a soil grow unless your tap is seriously out of range.

I did, called 'waters ionization constant'... google it then i want my bonus points!
 
Bonus points if you can explain the science of a standing bucket of tap water increasing in ph over time. Not sure I understand why you would ph water going on a soil grow unless your tap is seriously out of range.

Just saying "Potential Hydrogen" should be enough.....Keep in mind your loosing dissolved O2 as time goes by. Quicker then most think.
 
I did, called 'waters ionization constant'... google it then i want my bonus points!
Just saying "Potential Hydrogen" should be enough.....Keep in mind your loosing dissolved O2 as time goes by. Quicker then most think.
Okay, bonus points for each of you for trying to educate me! But I'm not as smart as you guys so please excuse me for seeking a simple answer I can understand.

Kingrow - I did google "waters ionization constant" and it seems temperature dependent, so is that the short explanation, as water warms up the ph will rise?

Dr. Who - DO levels will drop as water sits or warms, but I don't understand what that has to do with hydrogen levels, can you connect the dots for me? Are you saying that as O2 levels drop, hydrogen levels increase?
 
Okay, bonus points for each of you for trying to educate me! But I'm not as smart as you guys so please excuse me for seeking a simple answer I can understand.

Kingrow - I did google "waters ionization constant" and it seems temperature dependent, so is that the short explanation, as water warms up the ph will rise?

Dr. Who - DO levels will drop as water sits or warms, but I don't understand what that has to do with hydrogen levels, can you connect the dots for me? Are you saying that as O2 levels drop, hydrogen levels increase?

Waters ionization constant is the ph where all alkaline content of the water is neutralized by acid. Its at 4.2 not 7.0ph because of strong and weak acid/alkali interactions. This is common of most tap water with calcium and magnesium carbonate content.

So if water always rises in ph you either do two things...

- Find a fertilizer with suitable buffers

or

- Use ro water and a fertilizer with suitable buffers.

Literally never found anything that quantifies the whole 'water' thing.
 
Okay, bonus points for each of you for trying to educate me! But I'm not as smart as you guys so please excuse me for seeking a simple answer I can understand.

Kingrow - I did google "waters ionization constant" and it seems temperature dependent, so is that the short explanation, as water warms up the ph will rise?

Dr. Who - DO levels will drop as water sits or warms, but I don't understand what that has to do with hydrogen levels, can you connect the dots for me? Are you saying that as O2 levels drop, hydrogen levels increase?

pH means (Potential Hydrogen) It is defined by this logarithm
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(damn it won't post - see below)
To answer your question so you can understand it better. No amounts of hydrogen change. The hydrogen ion activity changes ---
(the aH).

As Co2 levels rise. So does the pH. Look at it like this for example: The longer the water sit's, the more dissolved O2 release's into the air. If pure water is exposed to air it becomes mildly acidic. This is because water absorbs carbon dioxide from the air, which is then slowly converted into bicarbonate and hydrogen ions (essentially creating carbonic acid).
 
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pH means (Potential Hydrogen) It is defined by this logarithm
0c37b478c26427b76be005d340fbb126fe2dc677

To answer your question so you can understand it better. No amounts of hydrogen change. The hydrogen ion activity changes ---
(the aH).

As Co2 levels rise. So does the pH. Look at it like this for example: The longer the water sit's, the more dissolved O2 release's into the air. If pure water is exposed to air it becomes mildly acidic. This is because water absorbs carbon dioxide from the air, which is then slowly converted into bicarbonate and hydrogen ions (essentially creating carbonic acid).
Thanks for the translation of the chemistry talk! Most excellent post. :clap:
 
Is it true that soluble ferts such as CalN release some oxygen when dissolving?. If so perhaps it's viable to leave water standing for a night then mix nutes on the day of use to top up oxygen levels.

One contradictory thing about water for me is that lower temp allow more dissolved oxygen yet microbes prefer warmer water at around 70F. Or perhaps I misinterpreted the experiments.
 
Here is a side note, I personally like to condition my ro water by placing two/ four gallons in a 5 gallon bucket, pump air onto said bucket for 24 hours add Cal/mag pump for 24h add other nutrients and pump for 12/24 adjust pH last pump 12/24 and use.
I don't add nutes often but I still condition and Cal/mag and pump ever time.

Any thoughts on this ?
Good luck and happy growing.
 
Waters ionization constant is the ph where all alkaline content of the water is neutralized by acid. Its at 4.2 not 7.0ph because of strong and weak acid/alkali interactions. This is common of most tap water with calcium and magnesium carbonate content.

So if water always rises in ph you either do two things...

- Find a fertilizer with suitable buffers

or

- Use ro water and a fertilizer with suitable buffers.

Literally never found anything that quantifies the whole 'water' thing.
pH means (Potential Hydrogen) It is defined by this logarithm
0c37b478c26427b76be005d340fbb126fe2dc677
(damn it won't post - see below)
To answer your question so you can understand it better. No amounts of hydrogen change. The hydrogen ion activity changes ---
(the aH).

As Co2 levels rise. So does the pH. Look at it like this for example: The longer the water sit's, the more dissolved O2 release's into the air. If pure water is exposed to air it becomes mildly acidic. This is because water absorbs carbon dioxide from the air, which is then slowly converted into bicarbonate and hydrogen ions (essentially creating carbonic acid).
Okay, so you two have connected some dots for me and I'm learning from this thread. With that said, I'd like your opinion on the importance of pHing water that will go on a soil medium.

In my experience it is damn hard to change the pH of soil by applying pHed water to it (I'm working with pretty soft water, so maybe hard water is different?). Far faster to lime the soil and this will still take weeks. So while it might make sense to pH your water in a soil reuse grow where source water is way out of range, I don't understand the need to pH water that is in a 5.0-7.0 range to start with because the soil will almost immediately buffer it to the soil pH level. I think having a good soil pH is the key, not being anal on water pH, comments?

Dr. Who - you said you pH your water every morning, which I assume is RO water, why (if going on dirt)?

Thanks for the discussion gents, I appreciate it!
 
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