Wash. debates big changes to medical pot system

Wash. debates big changes to medical pot system

By CURT WOODWARD - Jan 21, 2011 5:25 AM PT Fri Jan 21 13:25:29 GMT 2011
By The Associated Press


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-01-21/wash-debates-big-changes-to-medical-pot-system.html

OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — A dozen years after voters approved Washington's medical marijuana system, state lawmakers are debating major changes that would give patients greater protection from arrest and bring the supply chain out of a legal gray area.
Patients and advocates packed Thursday's meeting of the Senate Health and Long-Term Care Committee, which was discussing a bill proposed by Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle.
With a nod to federal policies that are now more tolerant of state medical marijuana laws, Kohl-Welles' bill would make sweeping changes while attempting to keep the supply chain from resembling the more wide-open markets seen in California.
"We don't want the big billboards. We don't want the neon lights in dispensaries," Kohl-Welles said.
A major element of her bill would give patients protection from criminal arrest. Current law offers less protection, giving authorized medical marijuana patients the ability to offer a defense in court if they're charged with possession.
Patients and doctors could enter information into a voluntary, secure database that law enforcement could access to check someone's authorization.
The bill also would address a conundrum in Washington's system: It's technically legal for a patient to possess pot, but the proper ways of getting the drug can be unclear.
Current state law does not allow for marijuana sales, instead saying that patients must grow marijuana themselves or designate a caregiver to grow it for them. But growing marijuana can be expensive and difficult, particularly for very ill people.
That has prompted many patients to form groups that grow pot collectively, contributing dues to help cover costs. In the Seattle area, some collectives also have distribution sites — called dispensaries — that serve thousands of members.
Current state law is silent on such collectives, and prosecutors around the state have taken differing views of whether they're permissible. The state Health Department maintains they're not. At the same time, the state Revenue Department began seeking sales tax revenue last month from dispensaries around the state.
Kohl-Welles' bill would make medical marijuana supply vastly more mainstream, calling on various state agencies to license producers, processors and sellers of medical marijuana.
Dispensaries would have to be operated as nonprofits and patients would not be subject to sales tax. Producers and processors, however, would have to pay state's business and occupation tax under the bill. Collective gardens would be allowed, with restrictions.
Supporters of the bill offered personal stories of their experience with medical marijuana and the hassles they sometimes face in the current system. Tacoma Deputy Mayor Lauren Walker said her husband, Baptist minister Marcus Walker, has found great relief while battling melanoma.
"Picture this: Local minister and deputy mayor arrested for having marijuana in their possession," she told the committee. "I don't want to go there."
It was unclear Thursday whether there was major organized opposition to the measure, or what its chances were of becoming law in some form as lawmakers prepare to work on a major budget deficit.
Sen. Linda Evans Parlette, R-Wenatchee, said she hoped any concerns from law enforcement would be addressed in the bill. Parlette offered a list of recommendations from a sheriff in her district, including the idea that authorized patients register with local sheriffs and submit to inspections to ensure the law is being followed.
"If somebody legally is permitted to possess medical marijuana, then in my opinion, I don't know why they would object to all of these verifications," said Parlette, a pharmacist by trade. "Law enforcement needs to know who legally has the permission."
 

Howard Stern

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It sounded good untill the fucking cops want to come in and do inspections on your house! I like cops and I think they have a lot of shit and assholes on their plate to deal with day in and day out. I am a MMJ card holder and I am also a provider for one person. I don't need cops comming over to my house whenever the fuck they feel like it doing their "inspection". I have kids and they don't know what I am doing, but if cops start fucking comming around my house they will start asking why the cops want to come over and walk through our house all the time! And I garantee that the cops wont do it when it is convienent to you! I wouldn't even mind registering but my main fear is that the cops are going to just pop on in and want to search my house.

I am legal and I stay within the law! I am not afraid I just don't need cops rumaging through my house looking for "hidden" plants or some other fucked up reason they can come up with to ransack my house.
 

beardogg

Member
It sounded good untill the fucking cops want to come in and do inspections on your house! I like cops and I think they have a lot of shit and assholes on their plate to deal with day in and day out. I am a MMJ card holder and I am also a provider for one person. I don't need cops comming over to my house whenever the fuck they feel like it doing their "inspection". I have kids and they don't know what I am doing, but if cops start fucking comming around my house they will start asking why the cops want to come over and walk through our house all the time! And I garantee that the cops wont do it when it is convienent to you! I wouldn't even mind registering but my main fear is that the cops are going to just pop on in and want to search my house.

I am legal and I stay within the law! I am not afraid I just don't need cops rumaging through my house looking for "hidden" plants or some other fucked up reason they can come up with to ransack my house.
Tru Dat, brutha!
 
I agree I also stay well below and in the confines of the law and I have nothing to hide what so ever but the registry thing has me freaked out granted it's voluntary. The laws in out society are just so wishy washy and can be change by legislature back and forth what happens if & when the law changes again but our names are on lists? Or what if the feds got of that list?

hmm then what?

I'd like to see some patient protection from federal prosecution especially if they want us to be on a registry. The idea of a registry just seems like a bad idea.
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
just another way for the government to keep track of people.. profits...while making a federal bust list:clap:
 

Grean Bear

Member
Its working for Oregon folks, I know a guy over there that gets checked on a few times a year and he just says fuck it come on in boy's and suck it!
 
I know a few in Oregon that go through that as well and they are comfortable with the situation maybe a little to comfortable IMO. It seems totally unreasonable to me. Hitler was taking names and see what happened then. I think he would be proud of the direction our country is heading in. Maybe instead of registering patients and caregivers we should just sew gold stars to our clothing. Will history repeat itself?

No offense intended to anyone or any group of people just making an analogy is all.
 

beardogg

Member
I know a few in Oregon that go through that as well and they are comfortable with the situation maybe a little to comfortable IMO. It seems totally unreasonable to me. Hitler was taking names and see what happened then. I think he would be proud of the direction our country is heading in. Maybe instead of registering patients and caregivers we should just sew gold stars to our clothing. Will history repeat itself?

No offense intended to anyone or any group of people just making an analogy is all.
It seems that whenever some one says "no offense" or "dont get me wrong" they end up dropping a bad phrase that is easily taken the wrong way.

No Offense, but comparing the US war on drugs to the muther fucking HOLOCAUST is absolutely insane!!!!! I dont care how many people are unfairly incarcerated, hassled, etc. At least they go to our "plush" jails, and not starve to death and get gassed, on a good day.
Seriously think about your examples. maybe Mccatrhy's crusade in the 50s is better? or muslim round-up post 9-11? but the FUCKING HOLOCAUST?????

Dont let me discourage you(I Know you wont) I appriciate your informative posts and this last one struck a chord. Peace
 

jdizzle22

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I know a few in Oregon that go through that as well and they are comfortable with the situation maybe a little to comfortable IMO. It seems totally unreasonable to me. Hitler was taking names and see what happened then. I think he would be proud of the direction our country is heading in. Maybe instead of registering patients and caregivers we should just sew gold stars to our clothing. Will history repeat itself?

No offense intended to anyone or any group of people just making an analogy is all.
Hitler probably pulled names from the census. The nice thing about the cops/government knowing you are a grower is that they might show enough discretion to approach you without busting down your door and shooting your dog before checking to see if you are legit or not

If they know you are likely growing marijuana in your residence because you registered for it then if they get complaints about the smell or noise or whatever they can come to you nicely because if you were kind enough to register and let them know it isn't as likely you will do anything illegal
 
It seems that whenever some one says "no offense" or "dont get me wrong" they end up dropping a bad phrase that is easily taken the wrong way.

No Offense, but comparing the US war on drugs to the muther fucking HOLOCAUST is absolutely insane!!!!! I dont care how many people are unfairly incarcerated, hassled, etc. At least they go to our "plush" jails, and not starve to death and get gassed, on a good day.
Seriously think about your examples. maybe Mccatrhy's crusade in the 50s is better? or muslim round-up post 9-11? but the FUCKING HOLOCAUST?????

Dont let me discourage you(I Know you wont) I appriciate your informative posts and this last one struck a chord. Peace


I like you Beardogg, I can see that my analogy may have been a bit much for the specific topic at hand, "my mind wondered off topic as it sometimes does" but when I wrote it I was thinking more about the bigger picture. Now it's register medical marijuana patients and let leo come into our home to check in on our grow, what's the next reason are they going to come up with to want to invade our privacy? You give them an inch and they will take a mile. We as Americans are afforded a reasonable expectation of privacy and are supposed to be guarded by the 4th Amendment against unreasonable search and seizure, something that Americans seem to have forgotten.

Maybe WE aren't getting gassed and starved to death but sometimes it feels like OUR rights are.

As I said my mind wondered off topic but that is where it went
 

jdizzle22

Well-Known Member
Yeah I mean the government shouldn't make such a big deal about people growing plants in their house anyway. But if you want to register for medical purposes I see no difference between the government having a database of prescriptions and treatments and patient records etc.

Once its legalized and regulated it wouldn't be needed as much
 

beardogg

Member
Yeah I mean the government shouldn't make such a big deal about people growing plants in their house anyway. But if you want to register for medical purposes I see no difference between the government having a database of prescriptions and treatments and patient records etc.

Once its legalized and regulated it wouldn't be needed as much
Agreed...I think/Hope

Mendoza...I couldnt let your poor analogy slide. I get your point. Its just too many people throw around the Holocaust as a term of some overbearing entity forcing their will and gaining public records. Youre obviously going to stand by your statement by saying our "feels like our rights are....getting gassed and starved". I guess im done with that. Its kind of like the kids saying "gay" and meaning dumb or stupid, not homosexual.
 

jdizzle22

Well-Known Member
Agreed...I think/Hope

Mendoza...I couldnt let your poor analogy slide. I get your point. Its just too many people throw around the Holocaust as a term of some overbearing entity forcing their will and gaining public records. Youre obviously going to stand by your statement by saying our "feels like our rights are....getting gassed and starved". I guess im done with that. Its kind of like the kids saying "gay" and meaning dumb or stupid, not homosexual.
Well gay is easy to figure out by the words around it, the meaning easily changes with context.

Is he gay? 99% chance it means homosexual in that case
This is gay! 99% chance that means its lame
etc

Holocaust not so much :P

Anyway

I hope my state of WA gets some good medical marijuana laws in the books this year
 

beardogg

Member
Im not confused by the use of the word "gay" I'm using it as an analogy for the misuse of words and therefore their skewed defininition.

EXAMPLE:
Dude 1, "Shit man, my boss is like Hitler"
Dude 2, "Yeah man he's kinda gay."
Dude 1, "this job is like the holocaust"
Dude 2, "yeah this job's soooo gay."
 
Agreed...I think/Hope

Mendoza...I couldnt let your poor analogy slide. I get your point. Its just too many people throw around the Holocaust as a term of some overbearing entity forcing their will and gaining public records. Youre obviously going to stand by your statement by saying our "feels like our rights are....getting gassed and starved". I guess im done with that. Its kind of like the kids saying "gay" and meaning dumb or stupid, not homosexual.




Beardogg
I understand what you mean as far as the different generations having different meanings it can be almost as hard keeping up with the lingo as it is reading my stereo instructions.

As far as standing by my statement yeah I do watching our rights yea yours and mine (I'm assuming you are American as your location indicates 360) getting flushed down the toilet over the years. I fear it will only be a matter of time before the government starts trying to regulate our 1st amendment just like they do our 2nd by then forget about the rest of our rights. The powers that be are obviously doing everything they can to ignore our or circumvent I should say the 4th and 10th.

I do like you Beardogg I like the way you think and you are right that it is very very easy for things written to be easily misinterpreted or poorly articulated. I'm the king of poor articulation my wife tells me that one all the time. I bet if you and I sat down around the peace pipe and a pot of coffee we'd probably enjoy each others conversation, hell I enjoy chatting back and forth with you in these forums I enjoy intelligent conversation.

I have a challenge for the folks here why not take a few minutes to review the Bill of Rights it can't hurt.
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/billofrights

Jdizzle I agree lets legalize it across the board and no one would have to worry about anything and I'll even expand on that and say why doesn't the government just leave us the fuck alone and let us do what we want on our own property and in our own homes as long as we are not endangering the general public. I'd even be ok with the Idea of selling it at the state run liquor stores and pay reasonable taxes on it and treat it just like alcohol. You can make your home brew beer.

Jdizzle
Another thing to keep in mind is the word prescription is not a word you want to see any were near medical marijuana. The minute it becomes a prescription and not a recommendation it becomes regulated by the DEA and Dr's need to bust out that prescription pad. Dr's cannot prescribe schedule 1 drugs. Marijuana (the drug) needs to be re-classified and removed from the scheduled 1 list. To put it in perspective meth and cocaine are schedule 2 drugs. By definition the federal government feels that a schedule 1 drug (marijuana ) "a category of drugs not considered legitimate for medical use" where as a schedule 2 drug (meth & coke) "a category of drugs considered to have a strong potential for abuse or addiction but that also have legitimate medical use" Marinol [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]synthetic THC or [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Dronabinol[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1] is a schedule 3 drug [/SIZE][/FONT]a category of drugs that have less potential for abuse or addiction than Schedule I or II drugs and have a useful medical purpose. Included are short-acting barbiturates and amphetamines like codeine, vicodin and pentothal.

The paradox is that since marijuana is in schedule 1 the DEA will not allow the FDA to do any legitimate federally recognized testing to show it actually has medical value which is what is needed to get it reclassified. God Bless America

By the way a new version of 1068 was submitted to the WA Secretary of State on Jan 26th for review more info at the below link
https://sensiblewashington.org/blog/2011-campaign/proposed-text-of-marijuana-reform-and-legislation-act-initiative/

IMO (some might think I'm nuts most already do I'm sure) but lets look at drug reform as a whole not just pot. Legalize decriminalize not sure what the answer is but crack, heroin, meth ect... these are public health issues not criminal issues. Granted there are plenty of crimes that are a direct result from said substances from theft to assualt to murder but lets re-address the criminality and prohibitionistic mentality we have in this country and start taking care of our citizens and stop incarcerating them. There is talk of a new jail being built near in our little corner of the world because there's not enough room to house all of the evil criminals. How many criminals would we actually have if we did not prohibit people from making personal choices and taking personal responsibility would we need more jails would we have as much "crime"?
 
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