Vipar V300 IR LED Herijuana & Purple Kush grow

Morning all. Have been seeing some fantastic prices for higher wattage LEDs from this company Queenshiny Ltd off of ebay. Does anyone have any experience with this company ?

Given them a final flush with water and will probably take them down next week.

I took down the plants today at day 62 as I couldn't really see them filling out any more at this stage. I started this grow as an experiment to see if LEDs could really produce buds and for starting out so well I have to admit I was disappointed at the final results. This grow will probably count as one of the worst yields I have ever had from a grow. I think these particular LEDs lack sufficient power and penetration to the lower nodes of the plants to produce buds of any worth, I notice there was a lot of under developed pale green undergrowth beneath the properly formed top buds where there was insufficient light.
It would appear the RIU picture uploader isn't working again. And its pretty difficult to write on here as the letters keep messing up. will complete my update later.

How are they looking have they gotten bigger?

Nvm I just saw ur pics haha. So you don't think these LED panels are worth it? What will you use for lighting next go around?

Im surprised the pictures came up. The first two are the purple kushes and they look like they have more buds on them than the last pic of the herijuanas. I think LEDs are the future for growing indoors but these particular LEDs at 300w (actual power of 180w) don't appear to have sufficient power for flowering successfully. When I have the funds I am thinking of getting either their 500w 96 x 5w LEDs or their 450w 3w LEDs to see if they perform any better. As for this grow I would have gotten more of a yield using my 250w HPS:

nvhak49 said:

Nvm I just saw ur pics haha. So you don't think these LED panels are worth it? What will you use for lighting next go around?

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They are brilliant for vegging but not for flowering.

aphrodisia said:

They are brilliant for vegging but not for flowering.

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Too bad aphrodisia, but looks like you'll have something to smoke so not all's lost If I read through the post right, you had 4 plants total under 1x 300W panel, with 180 actual draw. If so, you have the same thought I had after my last round, insufficient light for that many plants/space. The thread I'm running now is essentially a test to see if giving them 100W per plant and within coverage range of the light config will flower well, I'll be flipping to 12/12 in about 1 1/2 weeks. If they don't produce what I'd consider nice bud, and decent yield, I'll be moving on to flower with induction. They do veg well though, very well, LED's are my go forward light for veg, they seem to manage stretching and keep tight nodes, which I like running mainly sat dominant strains.

Hi GroErr thanks for dropping by. Yes I think maybe 4 plants was a bit much for these lights and they probably would have performed better with just one. I learned a few things on this grow one of which is I didnt defoliate to allow the light to penetrate more. I will post a final weight once they are dried and desticked. The herijuanas have some pretty well formed and tight top nugs and there are a few of them so I might end up being not too disappointed. Whats your opinion on 5w LEDs as opposed to 3w ones ?

PetFlora said:

Don't blame LEDs, blame the lights you purchased

There's tons of mediocre led panels being sold. Knowing what to buy requires an education

After I got hosed 3 years ago, I made it a point

Companies like Hans panels, A51, Apache Tech make really good panels, but they cost considerably more than Vipar

Lots of Watts is NOT the last word in how to measure a purchase.

Looks like your girls are sats, which do not produce as much bud as Indicas, but they provide a more upbeat high

Yours look vg to me

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Hi Petflora. I hear what you say about LED quality but I wouldnt want to order anything from the states and having it come through customs so I have to make do with what I can get in europe. I think the Prakasa LEDs are also pretty good.

PetFlora said:

Don't blame LEDs, blame the lights you purchased

There's tons of mediocre led panels being sold. Knowing what to buy requires an education

After I got hosed 3 years ago, I made it a point

Companies like Hans panels, A51, Apache Tech make really good panels, but they cost considerably more than Vipar

Lots of Watts is NOT the last word in how to measure a purchase.

Looks like your girls are sats, which do not produce as much bud as Indicas, but they provide a more upbeat high

Yours look vg to me

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Hi Pet, while I don't disagree that the higher end panels are likely better (I'll likely grab an A51 soon to see first hand), I would point out that I haven't seen anyone using A51's putting 4 plants under a 160 or 190 panel, there's simply not enough coverage, regardless of watts or any measurement you throw at the issue. What I do see is a lot of chinese panel grows, trying to run too many plants or cover too large an area (same thing imo). Then being disappointed at the mediocre results. Likely based on the marketed wattage of the panels which is simply not enough when you consider that most panels draw 50-65% of their marketed power, claim exaggerated coverage, or both.

You would need 2 A51s for 4 plants of any decent girth. They claim a 3 x3 ft print with vg umols/m*/sec

Not going to see that from cheap, exaggerated spec panels

GroErr said:

Hi Pet, while I don't disagree that the higher end panels are likely better (I'll likely grab an A51 soon to see first hand), I would point out that I haven't seen anyone using A51's putting 4 plants under a 160 or 190 panel, there's simply not enough coverage, regardless of watts or any measurement you throw at the issue. What I do see is a lot of chinese panel grows, trying to run too many plants or cover too large an area (same thing imo). Then being disappointed at the mediocre results. Likely based on the marketed wattage of the panels which is simply not enough when you consider that most panels draw 50-65% of their marketed power, claim exaggerated coverage, or both.

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PetFlora said:

You would need 2 A51s for 4 plants of any decent girth. They claim a 3 x3 ft print with vg umols/m*/sec

Not going to see that from cheap, exaggerated spec panels

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Exactly, most using A51's would use 2x 160's or 2x190's for 4 plants. That is good coverage for the area for "average size" but nice size plants. vs. 4 with essentially a chinese panel pulling somewhere between an A51 160 or 190, simply not enough coverage, regardless of make/panel.

I have those cheap chinese reflector panels in my run right now, really interested to see if this "450W" (actual 300W) panel can flower and generate a decent yield. Covering a 2x4 area, 3 plants with a panel footprint that can cover the area well for 3 plants, and 100W per pant. This would be similar to running 2 plants under and A51 190. It's their last shot at flowering, if they don't cut it I'll move on to more proven producers... Either way I'll use them for seeds, cloning, vegging, screwing around with new stuff, like right now I have a "150W" running over a single plant in the 12/12 from seed party cup thread, it's all good. If I had to pull #'s under pressure I'd have gone straight to A51's or Inda- Gro 420's. For me it's a hobby that pays for itself so, not a bad thing, and no pressure to produce big.

I took another look today at the hanging plants. Considering there were 4 plants under a single LED light using an actual draw of 180w, which works out at 45w per plant, I would say they didn't do too badly. While the buds may be on the small side there is quite a few of them and they do look dense. It would be interesting to see what the final yield is.

aphrodisia said:

I took another look today at the hanging plants. Considering there were 4 plants under a single LED light using an actual draw of 180w, which works out at 45w per plant, I would say they didn't do too badly. While the buds may be on the small side there is quite a few of them and they do look dense. It would be interesting to see what the final yield is.

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Agreed, that's what I mentioned in my post yesterday, not all's lost, you'll have some personal smoke, and not terrible considering the light coverage. Would be great if you post the final dry/cured weight. It could be an acceptable grams/watt ratio (not that it means much but not a bad guideline) all things considered. You did well considering the coverage, I've seen guys (my next door neighbour being one) grow smaller plants with less bud outdoor.

Dude that's pretty good for only 180w for four plants stoked to see what u harvest from it!

I always have problems with the picture uploader on RIU lately

aphrodisia said:

I always have problems with the picture uploader on RIU lately

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Ha, an old-schooler like me, I always dry with the small bud leaves on, just pluck any fan leaves, then trim after drying. Not sure if it makes any difference, but it has never hurt and I'm a creature of habit.

I just trimmed them today and placed the buds in paper bags. Will leave them another day or so before weighing them. Had quite a few buds to trim and still have a few airy buds left on the branches but I might just leave those, will have another look tomorrow had enough for now. I never knew purple kush was one of the "white" strains, these ones are practically white with resin. Will post some pics with the final weight.