Very interested in breeding, would this hypothetical work?

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KromaL

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I have a feminized Sour Tangie that I'd like to cross with C99 to decrease flower time and also just because Sour Tangie x C99 just sounds interesting :)

Would breeding a regular male with a feminized mother result in hermies? Also, lets say I wanted to select for the traits of Tangie flavor and fast flowering of C99, would I have to back cross in order to isolate those traits? How many successive generations am I looking at here if I'm just trying to get a faster flowering plant while preserving the Tangie flavor? Would I be correct in assuming that the easiest way is to just grow out a bunch of F1's of this hypothetical cross and cloning whichever one best meets the characteristics I'm looking for?

Thanks in advance!
 
Observe & Report

Observe & Report

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KromaL said:
Would breeding a regular male with a feminized mother result in hermies? Also, lets say I wanted to select for the traits of Tangie flavor and fast flowering of C99, would I have to back cross in order to isolate those traits? How many successive generations am I looking at here if I'm just trying to get a faster flowering plant while preserving the Tangie flavor? Would I be correct in assuming that the easiest way is to just grow out a bunch of F1's of this hypothetical cross and cloning whichever one best meets the characteristics I'm looking for?

Thanks in advance!
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"feminized' seeds are identical to the half of regular seeds that turn out female there is no difference. If the parents carry genes that cause intersex expression then you could get hermies, same as regular.

No one can say how long it will take to get what you want or if you'll even get it. It's hard to select males for specific traits. Genetics are very complex and traits don't always combine the way you want. After several generations you could end up with insipid plants that are worse than the originals.

Consider using silver thiosulfate and breeding with females. It's way easier if you can directly see what female flower traits both parents are carrying. Plus, all your seeds come up female!
 
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KromaL

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Observe & Report said:
"feminized' seeds are identical to the half of regular seeds that turn out female there is no difference. If the parents carry genes that cause intersex expression then you could get hermies, same as regular.

No one can say how long it will take to get what you want or if you'll even get it. It's hard to select males for specific traits. Genetics are very complex and traits don't always combine the way you want. After several generations you could end up with insipid plants that are worse than the originals.

Consider using silver thiosulfate and breeding with females. It's way easier if you can directly see what female flower traits both parents are carrying. Plus, all your seeds come up female!
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Awesome thanks for the advice, that makes sense! By any chance do you know is there a good how to/DIY floating around anywhere about using silver thiosulfate?
 
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KromaL said:
Awesome thanks for the advice, that makes sense! By any chance do you know is there a good how to/DIY floating around anywhere about using silver thiosulfate?
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You'll have to search around, in addition to weed forum advice there is a professional document on the Sigma-Aldritch site that goes into detail about synthesizing it from easily acquired silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. You'll need a good scale and some chemistry chops. It's also hard to not make a metric assload of it at a time since you only need a little to spray on a small female. An alternative is to buy STS concentrate premixed from Riot Seeds.

Due to the above, a lot of people like using colloidal silver, which is made by passing electric current between two silver wires in water (it's the silver molecules that inhibit ethelyne which causes the plant to express male flowers.) Upside is all you need is some silver wire, a cell phone charger, and a bit of craftiness to rig it up. Downside is it has to be sprayed on the plant like every day for up to two weeks, it's more work and less reliable than STS so all of the pros use STS.
 
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KromaL said:
Would breeding a regular male with a feminized mother result in hermies? Also, lets say I wanted to select for the traits of Tangie flavor and fast flowering of C99, would I have to back cross in order to isolate those traits? How many successive generations am I looking at here if I'm just trying to get a faster flowering plant while preserving the Tangie flavor? Would I be correct in assuming that the easiest way is to just grow out a bunch of F1's of this hypothetical cross and cloning whichever one best meets the characteristics I'm looking for?
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As long as the plants you are using for the cross don't carry strong hermie genes you'll get good regular seeds.

I bred NL#5 with Cali Mist years ago as the Cali was such a strong sativa it gave me anxiety attacks with just a puff too much. Plus it took 14 weeks to flower out. The best pheno still takes about 10-11 weeks but works so well for my depression it's worth the wait. Never really tried to stabilize it tho.

I'd like to try STS but getting the chemicals is not easy. Ordering them online is too heaty for my liking.

I make colloidal silver so will be trying that first.

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xtsho

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OldMedUser said:
As long as the plants you are using for the cross don't carry strong hermie genes you'll get good regular seeds.

I bred NL#5 with Cali Mist years ago as the Cali was such a strong sativa it gave me anxiety attacks with just a puff too much. Plus it took 14 weeks to flower out. The best pheno still takes about 10-11 weeks but works so well for my depression it's worth the wait. Never really tried to stabilize it tho.

I'd like to try STS but getting the chemicals is not easy. Ordering them online is too heaty for my liking.

I make colloidal silver so will be trying that first.

:peace:
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Silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate are readily available on Amazon. They have lots of other uses. They're used in photography for those still using film and other media. It's like buying a skein of yarn. Just another item. At least in the United States.

It's a much more reliable method that only takes a couple of spraying's compared to colloidal silver which works but is dependent on the source of the colloidal silver to be successful. There are many premade colloidal silver solutions available. Many are too low in ppm's to work. The others are too expensive given the amount of time you'll be spraying it. If I were to use colloidal silver I would make it myself. I chose to spend $50 on a couple chemicals and just mix it up when I need it. Only takes a few minutes and I have enough chemicals to make tens of gallons of solution. Two sprays in two days and then just wait for the balls to start showing.
 
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xtsho said:
Silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate are readily available on Amazon. They have lots of other uses. They're used in photography for those still using film and other media. It's like buying a skein of yarn. Just another item. At least in the United States.

It's a much more reliable method that only takes a couple of spraying's compared to colloidal silver which works but is dependent on the source of the colloidal silver to be successful. There are many premade colloidal silver solutions available. Many are too low in ppm's to work. The others are too expensive given the amount of time you'll be spraying it. If I were to use colloidal silver I would make it myself. I chose to spend $50 on a couple chemicals and just mix it up when I need it. Only takes a few minutes and I have enough chemicals to make tens of gallons of solution. Two sprays in two days and then just wait for the balls to start showing.
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x2, raw ingredients on amazon all day long...
 
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