I'ev done several flat grow's, with decent yealed. When I went vertical i was blown away with the g per w upgrde there was. I must mention that all this from flat to vert has all been aero. Growth rate w/ aero is so superioir to soil it's not worth the argument, thats not what this is It's just what I 've learened through my experence. Here r a few pics of my Idea intergrated sattilight dish w/ a ver 600 hps when it's needed. would greatly app. anyone with a sim. sys. or any construcktive crit. "be nice" Tonz more to say about sys if interested. serious about this vert tech. I know the new break thro in the areo field.. Lets rock this s*@$#.