Veg height?

nicksol86

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How tall do you veg your plants? What yields do you expect when vegging as tall as you do? I am thinking anywhere from a foot and a half to 3 feet before I switch them to flower depending on Indica or sativa strains? My goal is to pull 4 ounces per plant. Working with 6 foot short ceiling. Due to lack of height in my grow area I have decided to buy a scrog net and scrog my grow at a foot above the buckets, and then a second net a foot above that. I plan to Lst and try fimming to get the most cola sites possible
 
JSB99

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nicksol86 said:
How tall do you veg your plants? What yields do you expect when vegging as tall as you do? I am thinking anywhere from a foot and a half to 3 feet before I switch them to flower depending on Indica or sativa strains? My goal is to pull 4 ounces per plant. Working with 6 foot short ceiling. Due to lack of height in my grow area I have decided to buy a scrog net and scrog my grow at a foot above the buckets, and then a second net a foot above that. I plan to Lst and try fimming to get the most cola sites possible
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With a lower ceiling, I wouldnt go any higher than 12", otherwise you'll have a battle trying to keep them in control. They stretch in flower and can easily triple in size!

There are so many things that will determine the yield. As a new grower, a good reference for how much you should be yielding is .5 grams/watt.
 
nicksol86

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JSB99 said:
With a lower ceiling, I wouldnt go any higher than 12", otherwise you'll have a battle trying to keep them in control. They stretch in flower and can easily triple in size!

There are so many things that will determine the yield. As a new grower, a good reference for how much you should be yielding is .5 grams/watt.
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Low ceiling but scrogging. I was thinking about 18 inches before I flip them. Putting the net 18 inches above the pots
 
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nicksol86 said:
Low ceiling but scrogging. I was thinking about 18 inches before I flip them. Putting the net 18 inches above the pots
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IDK, that's pretty tall. But I guess if you're scrogging you can control the height with the net.

I would make two nets though. The bottom for the scrog, and the another, about a foot above, to hold the colas up. They'll get heavy and flop the branches over. I made mine with 2" squares and it worked well.

Here's a pic of my bottom net from last grow.GWKasDM.jpg
 
nicksol86

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JSB99 said:
IDK, that's pretty tall. But I guess if you're scrogging you can control the height with the net.

I would make two nets though. The bottom for the scrog, and the another, about a foot above, to hold the colas up. They'll get heavy and flop the branches over. I made mine with 2" squares and it worked well.

Here's a pic of my bottom net from last grow.View attachment 4135091
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Nice. Maybe I'll take your advice then on this grow. If I don't like the end results I'll veg them bigger next run. I see most people's plants are looking like yours. Mine are so bushy and short internodes. I did have the t5 high output bulbs right above them for most of there lives but now I am rocking the 1000 watt hps to get them to grow faster so I can start budding them so I have some buds and wax by the end of summer. The plants on the left were given to me by a friend as a gift from there garden. The 4 on the right are what I grew from feminised seeds
 

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I just topped the plants I started a 2nd time so I'll have 4 shoots to train under the net per plant. In about 2 weeks I'm probably gonna flip it to 12/12 and induce budding
 
JSB99

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Already did my 2nd topping. Not topping anymore now. Just topped 2nd time a few days ago.
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After topping, the next best thing you can do to control the height is to start supercropping. That's how I got my canopy to fill out somewhat level.

Don't worry about your plants being squat and full. They'll stretch a lot during flower. It's good that they're compact and bushy right now.
 
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General rule, when the apical stem/leaves reach the screen, flip. SCROG will be filled out by the time flowering starts. It will vary by strain of course.
 
nicksol86

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JSB99 said:
After topping, the next best thing you can do to control the height is to start supercropping. That's how I got my canopy to fill out somewhat level.

Don't worry about your plants being squat and full. They'll stretch a lot during flower. It's good that they're compact and bushy right now.
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I super cropped the bitches on the left that i got free from a friend. They were taller. So my other plants can catch up to there height cuz I want to flower them all same time. There ready to flip now height wise but I stunted them while my new tops are growing on the bitches on the right that I started from feminised seeds.
 
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I super cropped the bitches on the left that i got free from a friend. They were taller. So my other plants can catch up to there height cuz I want to flower them all same time. There ready to flip now height wise but I stunted them while my new tops are growing on the bitches on the right that I started from feminised seeds.
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During early flower, I supercrop multiple times. Sometimes I'll have a branch that ends up with a 180 turn after a few times supercropping LOL! They really take off during flower!
 
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I just bent the stems hard so they were flat. Not sure if it's classified as supercropping as I read afterwards your suppose to pinch them which I didn't do. Whoops. Still learning..
 
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I just bent the stems hard so they were flat. Not sure if it's classified as supercropping as I read afterwards your suppose to pinch them which I didn't do. Whoops. Still learning..
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Yep, you pinch them until you feel it crackle. Not too hard. I like pressing a few times to make the bend a little easier. It's really easy. If you mess up, you can literally tape it back together. I've broken entire branches off by accident (not from supercropping), and used scotch, or duct tape to reattach them. They still grow big buds.
 
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Two areas not often considered are spectrum and root mass. Spectrum in a way affects vegetative growth just as much as light intensity does down to a certain point. A higher K spectrum will produce less vertical growth, but if left on through flower it will promote some additional vertical growth due to delayed onset of flowering. Some evidence suggests switching to a low K high CRI spectrum at flip can shorten stretch (and finish) by about 5 days, depending on strain of course. It's also not a bad choice for vegging a scrog among other things since vertical growth translates into branches elongating faster and filling out the space.

There is also evidence in water culture that root mass to grow zone ratio at flower onset can affect vertical growth. The idea is that the container should be fully colonized by roots at flip or shortly after. If the volume is too large plants can potentially grow a foot taller or more than they otherwise would have. In theory you might take advantage of an oversized grow zone by flipping early, but I'm not sure how such a scenario affects the end product. Probably better to use appropriate sized containers and get root bound at some point early in flower.
 
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Rahz said:
Two areas not often considered are spectrum and root mass. Spectrum in a way affects vegetative growth just as much as light intensity does down to a certain point. A higher K spectrum will produce less vertical growth, but if left on through flower it will promote some additional vertical growth due to delayed onset of flowering. Some evidence suggests switching to a low K high CRI spectrum at flip can shorten stretch (and finish) by about 5 days, depending on strain of course. It's also not a bad choice for vegging a scrog among other things since vertical growth translates into branches elongating faster and filling out the space.

There is also evidence in water culture that root mass to grow zone ratio at flower onset can affect vertical growth. The idea is that the container should be fully colonized by roots at flip or shortly after. If the volume is too large plants can potentially grow a foot taller or more than they otherwise would have. In theory you might take advantage of an oversized grow zone by flipping early, but I'm not sure how such a scenario affects the end product. Probably better to use appropriate sized containers and get root bound at some point early in flower.
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I'm in hydro Dwc 5 gallon single buckets. I won't get root bound so that's not a problem. I am flipping them in a week or two to 12/12. Most of them are ready. But the shortest is still too small for me to start budding so I'm waiting for the smallest to hit a foot tall before I flip. Should be in a week or 2 tops. About three more months and this harvest should be done.
 
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