US Government Caught Spying

newgrower · Oct 12, 2007

FRONTLINE: spying on the home front: interviews: mark klein | PBS

This kind of shit makes me nervous. Read through this entire article, its long, but it is from a man who worked at AT&T and found out the NSA was spying on people over the internet, literally everything they typed and sent over the net was sent straight to the NSA - Without a warrant. What are your thoughts everyone?!

EpiDemiK · Oct 12, 2007

Gah, like I'm not paranoid enough. But I'm sure they have bigger fish to fry.

7xstall · Oct 12, 2007

scary but i'm sad to say not surprising at all. that's the worst part about it, it doesn't shock me.

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starchland · Oct 12, 2007

unfortunately we live in a world where my information IS your information. Its one of the trade offs of the information era.

7xstall · Oct 12, 2007

starchland said:
unfortunately we live in a world where my information IS your information. Its one of the trade offs of the information era.

it's the trade off of the biggest government in the world era.

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medicineman · Oct 12, 2007

This is your Bushies at work. They are so afraid of losing power, that they must listen to everything and try and ferret out any dissenters. I'm sure I'm on some dissent list somewhere as I've been bashing Bushco for 7 freaking years.

7xstall · Oct 12, 2007

medicineman said:
This is your Bushies at work. They are so afraid of losing power, that they must listen to everything and try and ferret out any dissenters. I'm sure I'm on some dissent list somewhere as I've been bashing Bushco for 7 freaking years.

if you want on the list all you have to do is send an email that says bin laden, the base, etc... send it to or from a yahoo, gmail or hotmail address to make sure they get a copy. seriously.

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medicineman · Oct 12, 2007

7xstall said:
if you want on the list all you have to do is send an email that says bin laden, the base, etc... send it to or from a yahoo, gmail or hotmail address to make sure they get a copy. seriously.

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Are you saying my yahoo e-mail site has been compromised? Hey I've been on the FBI's watch list since 1973 when I did an article in Rolling Stone magazine protesting the Viet Nam war, even got my picture in there, remember that song about getting your picture in Rolling Stone, well I did, and I'm pretty sure I entered a data Base at that time. In fact I had dinner with a CIA agent in San Francisco. He claimed to be something else, but I knew what was up.

medical.use · Oct 12, 2007

I don't see anything wrong with it as long as its responsibly used just to prevent terrorism. I bet that keeps them busy enough they don't have time to go looking for some guy growing a plant in his basement. But if they do i'll grab my gas can and head over to there office. :fire:

7xstall · Oct 12, 2007

medicineman said:
Are you saying my yahoo e-mail site has been compromised? Hey I've been on the FBI's watch list since 1973 when I did an article in Rolling Stone magazine protesting the Viet Nam war, even got my picture in there, remember that song about getting your picture in Rolling Stone, well I did, and I'm pretty sure I entered a data Base at that time. In fact I had dinner with a CIA agent in San Francisco. He claimed to be something else, but I knew what was up.

dude, yahoo, google, ms, at&t, verizon, charter, ummmmm - qwest, bwt, telepac, countless others are involved in the voluntary "harvesting" program that this article is about...

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medicineman · Oct 13, 2007

7xstall said:
dude, yahoo, google, ms, at&t, verizon, charter, ummmmm - qwest, bwt, telepac, countless others are involved in the voluntary "harvesting" program that this article is about...

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So, I guess they've got me figured out, just another pot growing Bush hating, anti-war liberal, peace loving ex-hippie, that has a shitpot full of guns and is military trained in their usage, and won't stand by and let them take them, while trying to talk sense to mindfucked right wingers on a marijuana site. I think that about sums it up.

silk · Oct 13, 2007

7xstall said:
scary but i'm sad to say not surprising at all. that's the worst part about it, it doesn't shock me.
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I agree. Also has anyone read the Patriot Act? I sure haven't. It's a catch 22 for the government. They have to suspend our rights in order to look for domestic terrorism. If they don't people will complain about how the government isn't protecting us.

I wouldn't be too concerned if I was indexed in an NSA database as: "might" being a closet grower. However I would be worried if I was in the UK and grew commercially. There have been multiple ties to the street dealing scene in the UK and fund raising for terrorist cells.

I'm really on the fence as to if it's a positive thing for the government to be doing, but I can tell you the journalism is sensational bullshit.

Like I said earlier, have you read The Patriot Act? The 4th amendment is cited in the article. Do you recall the 2nd amendment?

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

The only purpose for a well regulated militia is to shoot the government if it gets out of line...

donnieosmond · Oct 13, 2007

medicineman said:
So, I guess they've got me figured out, just another pot growing Bush hating, anti-war liberal, peace loving ex-hippie, that has a shitpot full of guns and is military trained in their usage, and won't stand by and let them take them, while trying to talk sense to mindfucked right wingers on a marijuana site. I think that about sums it up.

I think what sums it up is you're a senile old nutball.

FilthyFletch · Oct 13, 2007

Who cares.Nothing wrong with it unless your doing something pretty bad you shouldnt online and if you are you know how to get around this simple program they use.They dummies who do the shit they wanna catch are the ones we should worry about. Retards with bombs aand such need to be caught for being stupid. At least we arent stuck in the Billy Clinton take over those were scary times.Chunny baterd closed his eyes and trusted satan himself cuz he seemed like good people.Damn hill billy

7xstall · Oct 15, 2007

silk said:
I agree. Also has anyone read the Patriot Act? I sure haven't. It's a catch 22 for the government. They have to suspend our rights in order to look for domestic terrorism. If they don't people will complain about how the government isn't protecting us.

I wouldn't be too concerned if I was indexed in an NSA database as: "might" being a closet grower. However I would be worried if I was in the UK and grew commercially. There have been multiple ties to the street dealing scene in the UK and fund raising for terrorist cells.

I'm really on the fence as to if it's a positive thing for the government to be doing, but I can tell you the journalism is sensational bullshit.

Like I said earlier, have you read The Patriot Act? The 4th amendment is cited in the article. Do you recall the 2nd amendment?

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

The only purpose for a well regulated militia is to shoot the government if it gets out of line...

i've read some of it. honestly, i think they knew the patriot act would be destroyed by judges eventually but it does make them appear to be busy protecting us... this isn't new though.

have the dems totally forgotten about Echelon? clinton was illegally wiretapping citizens before it was so fashionable...

that's what most people don't get. we don't have a two party system, we are fighting a tag-team system. the dems come in and bulldoze us for a while, then the reps, then the dems.

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medicineman · Oct 15, 2007

donnieosmond said:
I think what sums it up is you're a senile old nutball.

Hey asshole, why have you made it your itinerary to fuck with me. I may be old, but I'm far from senile and I've held my own with Better "men" than you appear to be. I'd guess you're 40 something and think you know it all, well for us that do, you've got a lot to learn. hang in there, someday you'll get an epiphany, and realize you know absolutely nothing and that you are less than an ants fart to the universe. Then you can get on with running down your opponents, It really doesn't matter to me what you think of me, just thought I'd let you in on some wisdom, not that I think it will sink in. Oh yeah, did I mention your screen name is hilarious, Donnieosmond, HaHaHaHoHoHoHeHeHe~LOL~. what an idiot.

Your Grandfather · Oct 15, 2007

I love my country but

I fear my government.

Echelon is what is being discussed here.

It is a strange mind fuck 'they' put you in by saying - if you don't do anything wrong, then you don't have to worry.

We have seen this movie before, in the 1970's and the outcome was the FISA law. Now the riecht wants to do away with the law that was put into place for just this reason.

https://www.rollitup.org/images/smilies/peace.gif

ViRedd · Oct 15, 2007

Come on Med, lighten up a bit. Ol' Donnie there is a pretty funny guy. Besides, he pretty much summed you up, ya old nut-ball you. ~lol~

Vi

medicineman · Oct 15, 2007

ViRedd said:
Come on Med, lighten up a bit. Ol' Donnie there is a pretty funny guy. Besides, he pretty much summed you up, ya old nut-ball you. ~lol~

Vi

I'll take that from you as I've definently called you worse, But from donnieosmond, no way. I have upon occasion thought about kicking the real Donnie Osmonds fairy ass, a wannabee, NFW. He sounds like a cock gobbler from way back, ~LOL~, I hope GK doesn't get Pissed at me, but he's always talking about KAK gobbling.

donnieosmond · Oct 15, 2007

I'm 23 and I'm just sharing my opinions as you freely share yours. I don't like Donnie Osmond and I've never even heard his music but I thought it was a funny name. I'm sorry I don't put more thought into my internet names, I have other priorities to concentrate on. For smoking as much as you claim you do, you are certainly way too on edge.

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