U.S. involvment with iranian attacks?

*note* first posted in toke n' talk, wrong forum, sorry

So I was just looking at the New York Times online and I saw a video piece about kurdish rebels and attacks on iran. As an intro it states that the Bush admin. denies any involvment or support of these attacks.Then the video report piles loads of evidence against the white house statments, including a nice sound bite interview w/ a vary "impressive" example of a kurdish rebel who reaffirms that the u.s. is involved.

My first reaction was this is a load of crap, the way the report was put together made me think it was just biased against the u.s. I decided to find out more about these Kurdish people and promptly logged on to wikipedia......when I got to the population section this is what I found:

"The exact number of Kurdish people living in the Middle East is unknown, due to both an absence of recent census analysis and the reluctance of the various governments in Kurdish-inhabited regions to give accurate figures."

Not so surprising, but then I saw this:

"According to the CIA Factbook, Kurds comprise 20% of the population in Turkey, 15-20% in Iraq, perhaps 8% in Syria, 7% Iran in and 1.3% in Armenia. In all of these countries except Iran, Kurds form the second largest ethnic group. Roughly 55% of the world's Kurds live in Turkey, about 20% each in Iran and Iraq, and a bit over 5% in Syria.. These estimates place the total number of Kurds at somewhere between 27 and 36 million."


Why is wikipedia using estimates from the CIA factbook?
I got a better question, if wiki is using it does that mean they are the only people estimating the KURDISH population?
Why is the CIA estimating the population of a people who want to form their own state that would take parts of turkey, iran, and iraq?

here's a link Kurdish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

true, it seems a bit sloppy on the CIA's part tho. Especially in light of this report. I know alot of people use wiki and alot of people read the times. a connection was bound to happen

CIA Factbooks are the standard for foreign country political and economic information. They have the resources to obtain the most information so naturally Wikipedia or any information outlet is going to use their information. Everything the CIA does isnt shadey. There are CIA factbooks on every country in the world that get updated on a regular basis. They show everything from terrain, wildlife, religious groups, history, well everything about the country in question.

Everything except where to get the best Gin & Tonic!

And how many different countries have you visited?

Wikpida isn't the greatest of resource. Universities have ban it's use because anyone can edit it and put whatever they want in it. I've seen a lot of complains about it so I would take a grain of salt with any information from there ...
... The illegitimate bush regime has shown it will do anything to have a perpetual war.

medicineman said:

Let's see 12345678910, oh and I forgot 10987654321, I may have left out a few. Hey just go to Mexico and watch Mexican CNN for a different perspective and they are one of our staunchest allies. I haven't been to Russia, but I'll bet the news is a little different over there. Check out Al-Jazeera. Every country has an agenda and their news is tainted, just remember, ours is tainted also, especially FOX.

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haha especially FOX, you full of it cnn now stands for corrupt news network because they are so corrupt they have lost all thier viewers

Right ... Fox News is really biased.

How many casualties did we take in Iraq last week? Can any of you anti Fox News people tell us?

Vi

Not seen or heard on the Main Stream Media:

WASHINGTON, Oct. 24, 2007 – The U.S. troop surge in Iraq continues to have positive effects, as violence and casualties are decreasing in many areas of the country, the Joint Staff’s director for operational planning said today.

Army Maj. Gen. Richard Sherlock, Joint Staff director for operational planning, conducts a news conference at the Pentagon, Oct. 24, 2007. Photo by Petty Officer 2nd Class Molly A. Burgess, USN
(Click photo for screen-resolution image);high-resolution image available.In and around Baghdad, terrorist operations are down by 59 percent; operations targeting Iraqi forces are down more than 60 percent; car bombs are down by 65 percent; fatalities due to car bombs are down by 81 percent; casualties due to enemy attacks are down by 77 percent; and the violence during this last Ramadan period was the lowest in three years, Army Maj. Gen. Richard Sherlock told Pentagon reporters.

Also, last week in Anbar province, the coalition had no casualties, which is an important milestone, the general noted.

“Overall casualties in Iraq have continued to decrease, even though coalition forces have conducted a variety of operations throughout the country,” Sherlock said. “While this is indeed encouraging, al Qaeda in Iraq, other extremist groups and criminal elements in Iraq continue to be major threats.”

Extremist groups are still very capable of staging spectacular attacks, so the coalition must remain committed to the fight, Sherlock said. He noted that the continuing rise of concerned local citizens’ groups and improvements in Iraqi security forces is encouraging.

Sherlock said the United States still is working with the governments of Turkey and Iraq on a diplomatic solution to the problem with rebels in northern Iraq. The issue is important to several countries in the region, so the U.S. officials are working with all parties involved to come up with an acceptable solution, he said.

“We are committed to security in that region,” he said. “We believe this is an issue between Turkey and Iraq. We are working with both countries, as Turkey is a valued ally for a number of years and Iraq is an ally in the war on terror.”

Who recieved the Medal of Honor last week? Can any of you non-Fox News watchers tell us?

FOXNews.com - Bush Awards Medal of Honor Posthumously to Navy SEAL - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

ViRedd said:

Right ... Fox News is really biased.

How many casualties did we take in Iraq last week? Can any of you anti Fox News people tell us?

Vi

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SEganja said:

Why is wikipedia using estimates from the CIA factbook?
I got a better question, if wiki is using it does that mean they are the only people estimating the KURDISH population?
Why is the CIA estimating the population of a people who want to form their own state that would take parts of turkey, iran, and iraq?

here's a link Kurdish people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Wikipedia is user driven. This means you or I can write an article. So really Wikipedia itself is not using the CIA fact book, but certainly be wary of who is writing the article.

Faux News is nothing more than a propaganda tool for the illegitimate bush regime ... it's no secret ... they are beneath contempt.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E-5KivgwO4"]Reporters Blow Whistle on FOX News [/URL]
Reporters Steve Wilson and Jane Akre were first asked by FOX News and later bribed, to downplay a story they had on a cancer-causing growth hormone called Posilac. The reporters decided to blow the whistle on FOX News and filed a law suit. After the ordeal was over, it was discovered in the appeals court that it's actually not against the law to falsify the "News."

Of course you didn't see the video that exposes faux news lies I posted.

[URL="http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=48474"]Fox Seen Biased Against Ron Paul[/URL]
Fox News’ slogan, “We report, you decide,” was not acted upon last night at the GOP Republican debates that the Fox network televised and moderated. Among other alternative news sites and blogs, FMNN has been for months cataloguing the ways that mainstream news has responded to the classical liberal (free-market conservative) candidacy of Ron Paul (R-Tex), and last night’s showing once again revealed the bias against Ron Paul and his ideas.

[URL="http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2007/08/14/fox-news-changes-wikipedia-to-smear-rivals-olbermann-and-franken-comprehensive-list-of-changes"]Fox News Changes Wikipedia To Smear Rivals; Comprehensive List of Changes [/URL]


[URL="http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/08/12/fox-news-censors-straw-polls-results/"]Fox News Censors Straw Poll Results [/URL]
Notice that positions four and five were completely skipped. While it's a commonly-held opinion that Fox News seems to avoid mentioning Ron Paul, I've never seen an example of such blatant censorship from them before. In case you were wondering, they weren't mentioned in the audio of the show, either.


Tons of info on faux lies at this site ... it will give you the scoop on all of faux news lies.

So like I said Fauxnews propaganda is blatant ... only a BUSHIE thinks otherwise.

So we are to stop listening to the Bush Propaganda by going to another propaganda website......