Trying to diagnose. I use RO water for the 1st time .

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Charles Shifflett

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I use the go Box and I add 200 parts per million of Cal mag to ro water before adding the rested a Cal mag and the recommend nutrients. I grow in the Coco Grow medium. The ph is always 5.8 the 5.9. Then I use the directions from the Box. Can anyone help me diagnose the older leaves look like nutrient burn but not.15258991817032021390161.jpg
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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Sure looks like nute burn.

Is that happening to a lot of leaves or just a couple?

Hard to tell what's going on from a pic of one leaf. Was that one closer to the lights or getting constant wind from a fan?

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Anon618

Anon618

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If its a cal /mag issue could be air circulation issue. Calcium is not mobile and needs air circulation ..
 
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growingforfun

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I generally dont care too much about the old growth, its the new growth that says the most. Old growth can still tell you a lot, but you can also be chasing issues that have already been solved and create new issues.
I like to think of the old growth as storage buildings.
 
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growingforfun

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OldMedUser said:
So non-mobile nutes need air circulation and mobile ones don't?

I'd like to hear more about this startling new revelation. Please elaborate.
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That was a new one for me too.

But neem oil is prooven to free up immobile nutrients and move stuff around. Neem is a powerful tool and its not just for bug prevention.
 
OldMedUser

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growingforfun said:
That was a new one for me too.

But neem oil is prooven to free up immobile nutrients and move stuff around. Neem is a powerful tool and its not just for bug prevention.
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Tim1987 said:
The mobile nutrients can move on their own.
But the immobile ones need a sail. Just like a boat. Otherwise they can't move.
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Do either one of you have a clue what mobile and immobile means or are you just jerking peoples chains?

Charles is asking for some help here and you have to screw him around?

Should take that stuff to the Toke N Talk forum where you might get a laugh.
 
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Tim1987

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OldMedUser said:
Do either one of you have a clue what mobile and immobile means or are you just jerking peoples chains?

Charles is asking for some help here and you have to screw him around?

Should take that stuff to the Toke N Talk forum where you might get a laugh.
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Fair call, and I agree.
Although I did read the sarcasm in your original post. Also what you were insinuating towards the poster. You by no means are innocent either. No reason to patronize either of us.
TBH I think the poster was just trolling anyway.

You can also tell by my original post, I'm genuinely trying to help the op. Also was genuinely trying to help in op's thread.
 
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growingforfun

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OldMedUser said:
Do either one of you have a clue what mobile and immobile means or are you just jerking peoples chains?

Charles is asking for some help here and you have to screw him around?

Should take that stuff to the Toke N Talk forum where you might get a laugh.
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Theres a really well written article in the magizen maxx yield a couple years back on it. I know what words mean...
 
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growingforfun

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Ill see if i can find the issue date of the mag im talking about later... honestly though chill out bro ive been here a long time an doin this most my life.
 
OldMedUser

OldMedUser

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Tim1987 said:
Fair call, and I agree.
Although I did read the sarcasm in your original post. Also what you were insinuating towards the poster. You by no means are innocent either. No reason to patronize either of us.
TBH I think the poster was just trolling anyway.

You can also tell by my original post, I'm genuinely trying to help the op. Also was genuinely trying to help in op's thread.
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I was in no way trying to be sarcastic to the OP. A lot of nOObs freak out over a bad leaf or two and being too close to a light or getting a stream of direct air can mess up a couple leaves too.

I wasn't trying to patronize either of you but trying to determine if you were messing around or really thought a breeze moves nutrients around that are immobile.

You can wash calcium, immobile, out of leaves by spraying all the time or heavy rains can do it but a breeze won't make an immobile nute suddenly become mobile. Mobility just means a plant can steal that nute from older leaves if it's not getting enough from it's roots where immobile nutes are fixed in place once used by the plant so newer growth shows symptoms of it's lack first.

@growingforfun I wouldn't listen to Max Yield for anything. Those cocksuckers have been against pot growers from their first day in print and like others of their ilk they got noting to say I want to hear.

Wind helps with the circulation of plants like exercise helps blood pump around our body but it doesn't make an immobile nute mobile. Find me a study from a respected agricultural university that has peer reviewed status and then I might be convinced.
 
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growingforfun

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OldMedUser said:
I was in no way trying to be sarcastic to the OP. A lot of nOObs freak out over a bad leaf or two and being too close to a light or getting a stream of direct air can mess up a couple leaves too.

I wasn't trying to patronize either of you but trying to determine if you were messing around or really thought a breeze moves nutrients around that are immobile.

You can wash calcium, immobile, out of leaves by spraying all the time or heavy rains can do it but a breeze won't make an immobile nute suddenly become mobile. Mobility just means a plant can steal that nute from older leaves if it's not getting enough from it's roots where immobile nutes are fixed in place once used by the plant so newer growth shows symptoms of it's lack first.

@growingforfun I wouldn't listen to Max Yield for anything. Those cocksuckers have been against pot growers from their first day in print and like others of their ilk they got noting to say I want to hear.

Wind helps with the circulation of plants like exercise helps blood pump around our body but it doesn't make an immobile nute mobile. Find me a study from a respected agricultural university that has peer reviewed status and then I might be convinced.
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The wind bit is a joke and i never agreed with it. The neem thing seems real to me, i read that about 4 (?) Years ago and have been using it ever since then on my plants over a ft tall. Its a really well written article i hope to find for you guys. I googled around for it but couldnt find it, hopefully its still in my stack of coffee table mags an i can get better google terms to link you to. Since using it ive noticed it does seem to help move nutrients around. My friend who owns a growshop uses it the same way and agrees. Neem is a great way to solve issues with bugs and seems to act as a nutrient carrier. Neem isnt going to be a cure all, nutes need balanced. Neem is a big part of organic gardening though and many companies recognise this. Down to earth organics has a product/soil amendment based on neem seed.

Im really starting to wonder if i should move on to a differant forum.. im always running into issues with people who have only been members for a short ammount of time and im wondering if theres a better place for me.
 
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Tim1987

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I think all of this has gotten way out of hand.
Don't you guys think this is the kind of reaction the poster was looking for?
C'Mon it's all just to and fro. All this jibber jabber doesn't help the op either.
 
Anon618

Anon618

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Listen OMU, im not a scientist , guessing your not either. We all take in info and judge the source. This source seems legit to me and therefore i passed on the
info here about ariflow and non mobile nutrients.


OldMedUser said:
I was in no way trying to be sarcastic to the OP. A lot of nOObs freak out over a bad leaf or two and being too close to a light or getting a stream of direct air can mess up a couple leaves too.

I wasn't trying to patronize either of you but trying to determine if you were messing around or really thought a breeze moves nutrients around that are immobile.

You can wash calcium, immobile, out of leaves by spraying all the time or heavy rains can do it but a breeze won't make an immobile nute suddenly become mobile. Mobility just means a plant can steal that nute from older leaves if it's not getting enough from it's roots where immobile nutes are fixed in place once used by the plant so newer growth shows symptoms of it's lack first.

@growingforfun I wouldn't listen to Max Yield for anything. Those cocksuckers have been against pot growers from their first day in print and like others of their ilk they got noting to say I want to hear.

Wind helps with the circulation of plants like exercise helps blood pump around our body but it doesn't make an immobile nute mobile. Find me a study from a respected agricultural university that has peer reviewed status and then I might be convinced.
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Anon618

Anon618

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and from another source.

"Since transpiration and calcium flow within the plant is so heavily influenced by the environment, lowering humidity and increasing airflow across the foliage assists with boosting moisture loss and calcium incorporation into new cells. However, while lowering humidity from high levels does boost transpiration, a very low humidity can result in other problems."

the article was written by Dr Lynette Morgan who is a PHD in hydroponic greenhouse production.

OldMedUser said:
Do either one of you have a clue what mobile and immobile means or are you just jerking peoples chains?

Charles is asking for some help here and you have to screw him around?

Should take that stuff to the Toke N Talk forum where you might get a laugh.
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Anon618

Anon618

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Who is the noob now? I would laugh my ass off if after 2 grows i know more about Ca uptake then a guy growing for the last 30 years.

Btw, you are the one on the bottom.

OldMedUser said:
I was in no way trying to be sarcastic to the OP. A lot of nOObs freak out over a bad leaf or two and being too close to a light or getting a stream of direct air can mess up a couple leaves too.

I wasn't trying to patronize either of you but trying to determine if you were messing around or really thought a breeze moves nutrients around that are immobile.

You can wash calcium, immobile, out of leaves by spraying all the time or heavy rains can do it but a breeze won't make an immobile nute suddenly become mobile. Mobility just means a plant can steal that nute from older leaves if it's not getting enough from it's roots where immobile nutes are fixed in place once used by the plant so newer growth shows symptoms of it's lack first.

@growingforfun I wouldn't listen to Max Yield for anything. Those cocksuckers have been against pot growers from their first day in print and like others of their ilk they got noting to say I want to hear.

Wind helps with the circulation of plants like exercise helps blood pump around our body but it doesn't make an immobile nute mobile. Find me a study from a respected agricultural university that has peer reviewed status and then I might be convinced.
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Tim1987

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Anon618 said:
and from another source.

"Since transpiration and calcium flow within the plant is so heavily influenced by the environment, lowering humidity and increasing airflow across the foliage assists with boosting moisture loss and calcium incorporation into new cells. However, while lowering humidity from high levels does boost transpiration, a very low humidity can result in other problems."

the article was written by Dr Lynette Morgan who is a PHD in hydroponic greenhouse production.
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I'll definitely agree environment can affect calcium mobility.
Sulphur as well.
Imo it's most likely not the case here tho.

I'm sorry as well. I jumped the gun a little, doubting your post, as much as I did. You are trying to be helpful, and I.appollogise :peace:
 
Anon618

Anon618

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I really appreciate you saying that. I was just trying to help.

Tim1987 said:
I'll definitely agree environment can affect calcium mobility.
Sulphur as well.
Imo it's most likely not the case here tho.

I'm sorry as well. I jumped the gun a little, doubting your post, as much as I did. You are trying to be helpful, and I.appollogise :peace:
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