well then I definitely wont be topping they are almost at day 14. I didn't really want to top or damage the plant. I'm going to do the LST on one as a test run and to kind of get the technique down. End of this week I have a few to chose from that I think are long enough to bend to a 45 degree angle and start from there. But I appreciate the advice, When I start some new ones I will attempt topping before 10 days. I will try and get some pics tonight for you guys so you can see where I am at.