thought it was npk def looks like it, but still spreading

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

here is some pics of my himalayan gold 3 weeks in to flower. my cheese plants starting showing similar signs, and wen poated pics was advised by a very helpful dr cannabis, that it was npk def i upped nutes and hey they buzzin now, same signs showing on my himalayan now but only dif is its all in the top fan leaves and bottom are still gd, i upped nutes anyways but unfortunately they still dying. is this jus the aftermath of def or do i still have a prob, pleas advise if u can thanks,

brasmith · Sep 25, 2009

what do your npk's look like?
List the nutrients and the npk of those nutes.

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

vita link bloom n 5 p 9.6 k 4.6 calcium 2% mg 0.875 sulphur0.4 boron0.0087 copper 0.002 iron 0.068 its quite an old bottle now had it for 3 grows... but it still is working ok wit my cheese an easyrider, does this help at all m8?

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

not gt a booster yet normally start in week 4, do u think this an early cry for some? also now the leaves r mangled and they wont be doing any photosynthesis do i leave em on plant or do i take off affected leaves? at least that way i can have a better way of seeing any new damage?

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

Looks like its either nute burn or over watered ? how often do you feed/water ? The ONLY def that could be is underwatering but i imagine thats not the prob? I would flush some of that food out of um 2 or 3 times and see if that helps.......ITS definatly NOT gonna hurt.

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

the big one looks like its rootbound too, so are u sure your not letting them dry out too much ?

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

wyteboi said:
the big one looks like its rootbound too, so are u sure your not letting them dry out too much ?

cheers for popping in. the big one is in mushroom compost an perlite, and was taken off a friend as it started flowering, the water almost runs straight through the pot wen i water? even if i leave her for days inbetween, the pot never feels light, so have been jus givin small amount say 500ml every 2 days untill i get run off, wen u say she looks rot bound wat is the signs mate? it is a big plant for a little pot could be that maybe :confused:

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

sweetsmoker said:
the water almost runs straight through the pot wen i water? even if i leave her for days

if u put very little water in there and it runs strait though the pot then it is BONE DRY. that plant should be drinkin at least 1 gallon in 3 days. (and when its THAT dry you have to run SEVERAL gallons of water through it just to get it moist again.) so DROWN that one right now and u will notice difference in just 3 or 4 hours!

sweetsmoker3138805 said:
inbetween, the pot never feels light

Thats why somtimes its hard to go by weight. There is obviously somthing heavy in that pot.... but its not water.

sweetsmoker3138805 said:
wen u say she looks rot bound wat is the signs mate? it is a big plant for a little pot could be that maybe

the signs I see is that it is a big plant in a lil pot so i KNOW it takes ALOT of water. i think 500ml is just pissin it off.

the one with the fucked up top looks nute burnt. ? how often do u add food to water?

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

every other watering so its getting nutes like every four days or so, are u sure its bone dry? pots feel sooo heavy and i thought droopy leaves were from overwatering? aslo doesnt nute burn start at bottom of plant? i appreciate ya help mate just wanna make sure i do her right, maybe if flush tomorrow that will moisten soil and give me a fresh start wit the nutes as well? then i can also re pot, or should i repot before i flush?

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

where u gone lol come bck help!!

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

sweetsmoker said:
every other watering so its getting nutes like every four days or so, are u sure its bone dry? pots feel sooo heavy and i thought droopy leaves were from overwatering?

Certain strains like more food and some like less. (u just have to play with it)
most of the time droopy leaves are from overwatering, but when you underwater the whole plant droops , the stems and everything will get "limp". and after lookin at your pics i need to know what kind of soil/mix that is to determine if its nute burn/overwater or just too dry. if it was dry should it be lightweight ? Was it ever "light" before? 500ml is nothing every 2 days for those so i am trying to rule out overwatering?. IF its underwatered OR nute burn we have to use the same solution anyways. (flush the shit out of um)

sweetsmoker said:
aslo doesnt nute burn start at bottom of plant?

No , it can start anywhere.

sweetsmoker said:
i appreciate ya help mate just wanna make sure i do her right, maybe if flush tomorrow that will moisten soil and give me a fresh start wit the nutes as well? then i can also re pot, or should i repot before i flush?

If u dont know whats in that soil then i would repot immediatly. (moist would be easier on the root system)
If u put 8oz of water in that pot right now will it run strait out the bottom of the pot?
What is your pot size ? (guess if u dont know)
Also whats up with the real pretty one ?(last pic in first post) What soil is that in ? Has "the prob" just not affected that one yet ?
:joint:

sweetsmoker · Sep 25, 2009

its mushroom compost and perlite in a id sy 5 litre pot, its about 12" tall 8: diameter at top. wen i was given it it was already heavy as he had given it a gd drenching before hand, not sure wat 8oz water looks like but if i put say 500ml it will pour out the bottom ! and sit in tray, although the medium doesnt feel dry to touch, i think hes jus put so much perlite in it its gt poor water retention? the last one is one of my easyriders in rockwool, at 4 weeks old shes doing great wit same nutes etc and on 12/12 which isnt ideal for autos. i usually grw in wool but my mate ran out of room and i obliged to help him free some space

im thinking i will get a larger pot and transplant into all mix form bio bizz tomorrow.

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

well i would NOT let the run off sit in tray to be soaked back up. I would take an run at least 15 litres of water though them right now! and let the water run off on the floor or yard or somthin so they get flushed real good. That will fix nute burn if thats what it is... and if its under watered you will notice a HUGE difference in a hour and it will look good after 3 or 4 hours. (i have underwatered alot.....)
(nute burn will take alot longer to recover from)

MrFishy · Sep 25, 2009

Take some kind of poker and cultivate your planters soil (like tenderizing a steak) . . . don't force it down thru anything thick, just dig around. You've likely got watering tunnels in your soil, which would allow the water to run straight down and out and prevent uniform watering/feeding.
I'm on my 3rd or 4th HGold grow. Mine aren't big eaters. They lose a LOT of smaller, lower leaves, which yellow daily and come off with the slightest tug.
Big, leafy buds, though. Minimal care.

wyteboi · Sep 25, 2009

MrFishy said:
Mine aren't big eaters. They lose a LOT of smaller, lower leaves, which yellow daily and come off with the slightest tug.
Big, leafy buds, though. Minimal care.

That describes mine too the tee bongsmilie

My "local afgani" just got ready so.................. :joint:

<-----as we speak :blsmoke:

i got a couple of Nirvana's Ice that will be done in a few days... :-D

(cant wait to try somthin "different")

:joint:

sweetsmoker · Sep 26, 2009

rep to you both and thnx wyteboy i will flush and transplant today at least that way i will eliminate any water holes flush any overnutes, get her a shit load of water and give roots more space, do u lads use warm ph neutral water or jus straight from the tap?

sweetsmoker · Sep 26, 2009

sweetsmoker said:
rep to you both and thnx wyteboy i will flush and transplant today at least that way i will eliminate any water holes flush any overnutes, get her a shit load of water and give roots more space, do u lads use warm ph neutral water or jus straight from the tap?

ok so i used luke warm ph 6.5 tap water two wash bowls full(pic) i put gold into the new pot first with the all mix (pics) then flushed right through. the roots werent particularly abundant around the pot but were prominent right to the top as wen flushing the roots became exposed, i placed the all mix to cover afterwards. the plant is v droopy as u can see(pic) i hope this sorts it out as its my only big one in the room and wud prob yield as much as all my others put together

thn x for all ya help and i guess time will tell

wyteboi · Sep 26, 2009

I was hoping u would try the flushing Before replanting (its always good to leave um alone during bloom, but somtimes its necessary..)........... but i think we can rule out underwatering right? So now i know its either overwatered OR nute burn. Either way all we can do is wait till it is completely dry and then use strait water again.
When u replanted , was the bottom still moist/wet ?
my own belief on water temp is to use room temp, and i use nothing but tap water BUT i let it sit for at least 24 hours to get the clorine out.
Alot of folks will argue this one but , it really does not matter what the ph of the water is because your soil is gonna "buffer" it to where THE SOIL wants it NOT to where you want it. example...... i water mine with a ph of 4.8 (not by choice) and it does not hurt them at all cause the soil is buffering it to a more manageable # . (anywhere between 6.0 and 7.0 is fine for dirt)

sweetsmoker · Sep 26, 2009

yeah not underwatered any more lol, im quite sure it not nute burn, as i have hardly given any nutes maybe 2 feeds in like 8 days or so, and the cheese plants i have had the same if not more due to taking more water each time..... the reason i thought underfeed was cos my cheese showed signs of underfeed and wen i upped nute they loved it. and they all bin on same routine. the only factor that is diff between plants is this fcking mushroom compost shit, now ive put in the all mix which has nutes already i can just giv straight water and it will draw its food outta soil mix. which is wat 2 of my easyriders are in and are healthy still. also cos it was in flower wen i gt it my mate was using diff nutes as well, he was using ionic nutes im using vita link. also leaves looked like npk def but as i said no added nutes wud help, well ive done it know lol spilt milk an all that if u stick around i will keep u updated on wat happens next and maybe throw ya 2 pennies in. cheers bud, oh yeah the soil wasnt moist but wasnt bone dry either, i think the plant jus wasnt sucking it up proper, roots looked a bit thin and not bright white,

skier · Sep 26, 2009

To give you a small piece of advice, coming from a fairly educated, but fairly new grower. I had this same problem it looks like with a recent crop, and it turned out to be root rot. I thought it was a million different things and tried them all, none of which worked. So i cut them down at about 6.5 weeks into flowering probaly a litte bit soon, but in fear of herming/lack of anynew growth. and when i pulled the root ball out and dissected it, it turned out to be root rot. The cause? I can only immagin it was from a combination of nute-lock, and overwatering. When this problem started happening with me, i first though it was a lack of nutes, and ime sure gave it to much, then, i tried to flush them, and i think overwatered them. bottom line is this may be whats happening to you. when you harvest check out the roots real well. good luck man

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