This is what happens when you apply full strength pesticide to small plants

So I had a little accident with my pesticide. Little ladies don't like full strength anything and you know what I did? Full strength. All the larger plants took it with minor damage, but the little ones took it to the teeth hard. Just for shits and grins I decided to leave 2 of the heavily damaged almost dead gg4's in the nursery to see if they'll generate new growth. I'm shocked as shit to report both of those sad looking nearly dead plants are actually spitting out new growth. If these ugly mofo's make it through this episode I'll be shocked.




Here's the whole nursery. Several other smaller plants were damaged too, but they're recovering without issue. I won't be using the pesticide again at all. This put me behind 2 weeks in growth so I started 9 more seedlings in another nursery as backup. What can ya do? Keep on trucking.

What product did you apply?

Did it kill the bugs?

Tracker said:

What product did you apply?

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Tetrasan which is an ovicide. Kills mite eggs, larvae, and nymphs. Combined that with Avid and did a full dunk in a gallon of the mix. All the other bigger plants took it pretty well but it was definitely too strong. A few leaves on the bigger plants got roughed up a bit. I should have done 75% strength. It really seems like Avid is some harsh stuff but full strength may have simply been too much. Forbid never causes any damage. It almost seems like the plants perk up the next day after applying it. I'm going to try tetrasan once more by itself to eradicate any mite eggs at 75% to see if it has any effect on foliage. I'll test it on one plant. If all goes well I'll hit the rest the next day. I brought 1 clone in from another garden and I failed to inspect it. Infected my whole garden. I'm just now getting it under control. Dam mites knocked out 4 of 6 gg4's I grew from seed. As long as one of 'em makes it big enough to get a couple clones off of my stress level will go from a 10 to a 3.

I've got a big bottle of forbid 4f on the way from domyown.com that I'm gonna rotate with spinosad and tetrasan through the end of veg. This has been very distressing and horrible. I've spent over $120 in organic products and I finally pulled the trigger on the $233 8oz bottle of forbid. I just couldn't get the organics to knock 'em down completely. I really screwed the plants up with horticultural soap and neem oil. Of course I used full strength again like a putz. I know better than this and deserve the result I got. Chlorosis and some deformed leaves. All new growth was coming out chlorotic and nasty. This was only on the small plants. The big ones suffered minimal damage. That was the horticultural soap. Today I tested the neem again and I got it down properly. Most of the places I checked on application rates suggested some fairly small amounts much less than the dyna grow bottle recommends. So this time I heated the neem oil bottle in hot water in a gallon jug to get it flowing nicely. Then I added .75 tsp neem oil to a quart of super hot water with .75 tsp dr bronner's peppermint castile soap. Shook that puppy up and for once the stuff actually emulsified and stayed in solution. I tested it on 3 plants before applying it to the whole garden and they all responded without a problem. If they're good tomorrow I'll know I finally got the recipe down for neem. It's one of the few things that kills mite eggs. Indispensable pesticide to have in the IPM program.

The only thing I use in flower (if I'm dealing with pests) is spinosad and venerate cg once/week. I'm planning to get a bottle of conserve SC which is a concentrated spinosad. Goes way further than the watered down captain jack's. The plants seem to really love it and it dries super fast. I really dig the spinosad. Not so much the avid. I'll test once more at 75% strength on one plant. If it damages the foliage in the trash it goes and I won't use it again. Mites really suck, but I'm ready to go to war with these mofo's.

what kind of mites are you battling?
Two-spotted, Russets, or Broads?

Tangerine_ said:

what kind of mites are you battling?
Two-spotted, Russets, or Broads?

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I wish I knew. I've got a 40x scope and a 100x scope. All I can see is eggs. I've inspected quite a few leaves and I can't find a crawler or a mite of any kind. They're there though. I'm close to winning the battle here as I'm seeing fewer and fewer eggs so the larval cycle is being interrupted. Just a little more ways to go. I'm gonna test the horticultural soap again at 50% recommended dose. The plan is to rotate different products every 3 days. Hopefully in 2 weeks or so these suckers will be nuked to hell where they belong.

jonnynobody said:

I wish I knew. I've got a 40x scope and a 100x scope. All I can see is eggs. I've inspected quite a few leaves and I can't find a crawler or a mite of any kind. They're there though. I'm close to winning the battle here as I'm seeing fewer and fewer eggs so the larval cycle is being interrupted. Just a little more ways to go. I'm gonna test the horticultural soap again at 50% recommended dose. The plan is to rotate different products every 3 days. Hopefully in 2 weeks or so these suckers will be nuked to hell where they belong.

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Are you sure they're eggs and not capitate-sessile trichomes? (stalkless trichomes)

Thats a lot of treatments, especially without a positive ID for what your battling.

Tangerine_ said:

Are you sure they're eggs and not capitate-sessile trichomes? (stalkless trichomes)

Thats a lot of treatments, especially without a positive ID for what your battling.

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They're mites. Translucent eggs allover the infected leaves. They're just small. I've had mites 3 or 4 times in 12 years of growing. The first time I actually got them so bad I had webbing. I've never seen a crawler or been able to observe a mite in my scope until 2 months ago. The one clone I took in that was badly infected I grew out to a large plant about 5' tall and bushy. By the time I realized she was infected she killed 3 or 4 seedlings by infecting them and they were too young to take the damage. I threw that plant in an isolation tent and popped a no pest strip in there. The next morning I opened that tent to the most devastating site I've ever seen. I thought what I saw on the ground was dirt from one of my seedling cups. I'm never that messy though and I never leave a mess, so I thought I'd bust out my scope. I about puked when I saw large dead mites everywhere. Every speck of that black shit was dead mites. I even saw a couple that were barely crawling. Then I realized just how bad this actually was.

Plant tossed immediately. 10% bleach spray down on everything with a pressure sprayer. It was too late. Clones from my own garden that was previously sterile were infected. So in a nutshell I know what I'm dealing with but I don't know the type of mite it is. I will say it was one of the nastiest fuckin things I've ever seen in my life. I swear these things come from the pits of hell. Ya know that ugly alien mofo in the predator when he takes his mask off at the end? These fuckers are uglier than that. They were big enough to see with the naked eye. I hear broad mites are the toughest to kill. Maybe that's what I've been blessed with? All the eggs are perfectly round and translucent. Some with a touch of white. I've been spraying my flower room with spinosad once a week since week 3 of flower. Stuff works really well and has kept the mite situation under control very well. I don't see any damage in there or hindered flower development, but I know they're there.

Today I'll inspect the leaves on the 3 test plants I applied neem to yesterday. I'm excited to put this ordeal behind me. I should have chopped everything, sanitized, and started over from seed. That would throw my production off horribly though and I just can't do that at the moment.