There Is Something More Important For Medical Patients Than Prop 19 On The Ballot

Fact is, medical marijuana was advertised as "Don't send sick and die'n people to jail for marijuana". When politicians and average voters see regular old folks getting marijuana for false illnesses ... they feel duped.


What other medicine has award shows?
What other medicine has get togethers with hundreds of people "medicating" all at once?
What other medicine has "win some free medicine" raffles or games?
What other medicine has "come here to medicate" shops, menus, and vending machines?

I don't see people making giant methadone pills ... "Hey man ... look at my 10lbs methadone!"

Medical marijuana is CLEARLY being abused and used by people with no illness to "legally get high"
People aren't dumb.

Dan Kone said:

So you think this is justification for shutting down dispensaries and send the owners to prison because a few patients may fake illnesses? How are dispensary owners suppose to know who has lied to a doctor? If dispensary owners should be shut down/sent to prison for serving patients who've lied to a doctor, then why not apply that to rite aid and walgreens too? People have lied to get vicidin prescriptions so the CEO of rite aid should be thrown in prison for that right?

If these growers weren't "abusing" the system then where is the medicine for the sick people supposed to come from? Should people on chemo be forced to grow their own medicine?

Maybe they should make people who just broke their backs produce their own Vicodin because some people lie to doctors to get vicodin perscriptions.

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Why do so many of you put words in people mouths? (Or put words in Prop 19's "mouth")
Where did I say medical dispensary owners should be put in jail?

Have I not been saying NO ONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR MARIJUANA?
What on earth would lead you to the conclusion that I think medical marijuana dispensaries should go away and the owners jailed?

Good grief ....

tc1 said:

Fact is, medical marijuana was advertised as "Don't send sick and die'n people to jail for marijuana". When politicians and average voters see regular old folks getting marijuana for false illnesses ... they feel duped.


What other medicine has award shows?
What other medicine has get togethers with hundreds of people "medicating" all at once?
What other medicine has "win some free medicine" raffles or games?
What other medicine has "come here to medicate" shops, menus, and vending machines?

I don't see people making giant methadone pills ... "Hey man ... look at my 10lbs methadone!"

Medical marijuana is CLEARLY being abused and used for people with no illness to "legally get high"
People aren't dumb.

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I'm still not seeing a victim here. Not seeing a reason why it's a good idea to shut down dispensaries and prosecute those involved. Not seeing a good reason why people should be forced into secrecy when it comes to medical marijuana.

Not seeing a good reason to vote for an attorney general who will do these things.

So please, tell me. Who is the victim here and how are they being harmed?

tc1 said:

Why do so many of you put words in people mouths? (Or put words in Prop 19's "mouth")
Where did I say medical dispensary owners should be put in jail?

Have I not been saying NO ONE SHOULD GO TO JAIL FOR MARIJUANA?
What on earth would lead you to the conclusion that I think medical marijuana dispensaries should go away and the owners jailed?

Good grief ....

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You're the one agreeing with and making excuses for guy who wants to shut down collectives here.... Don't blame me for calling you on it.

Dan Kone said:

Not seeing a good reason to vote for an attorney general who will do these things.

So please, tell me. Who is the victim here and how are they being harmed?

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Again ...

The fact that medical marijuana programs are being abused is causing new laws, stricter regulation, and the pursuit of pharma alternatives.
Ultimately ... the victims are the cancer patients, the people with aids, those with chronic pain, etc etc. Because eventually ... the medical marijuana programs you now know and love will be no more. People call it medicine, and eventually the government will get sly and it will be treated like medicine.

There are no "Vicodin Cups" ...There are no "Spin the wheel and win a free Percocet" games.

The abuses of the medical system will lead to medical marijuana being treated like every other drug.
And once pharma releases a legit alternative in pill form .... Game Over.

Dan Kone said:

You're the one agreeing with and making excuses for guy who wants to shut down collectives here.... Don't blame me for calling you on it.

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I haven't agreed with anyone. I'm responding to comments I disagree with. If you have actually read what I've posted, you'd know my stance well enough not to make these accusations.

Please stop putting words in my mouth and stating I'm doing something I'm not.

tc1 said:

Again ...

The fact that medical marijuana programs are being abused is causing new laws, stricter regulation, and the pursuit of pharma alternatives.

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No, that is just an excuse. If no one abused prop 215 those same people would find a different excuse to shut down the dispensaries. Pharma would still be perusing alternatives. It's just pretext.

Show me a law or regulation that no one abuses.... Why single out this one thing?

Ultimately ... the victims are the cancer patients, the people with aids, those with chronic pain, etc etc.

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Ok. Maybe victims was the wrong word. Show me how the people of California benefit from shutting down dispensaries.

Most of these people who "abuse" prop 215 are buying cannabis from dispensaries. This creates a bigger market for cannabis. This allows more dispensaries to open up. This increases access to medicine for the people who really are sick.

These people who "abuse" prop 215 are helping cancer/aids patients. If we limited medical cannabis to cancer/aids patients there would be about 5 dispensaries in California.With out the cannabis market they are creating you'd have cancer/aids patients having to drive for hours to the nearest dispensary.

On the other hand the people who are pointing to the "abusers" of prop 215 as pretext to shut down dispensaries would still be trying to shut down the dispensaries even if no one was abusing the process.

The abuses of the medical system will lead to medical marijuana being treated like every other drug.
And once pharma releases a legit alternative in pill form .... Game Over.

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Nope. That's all just an excuse. With out the abuse, pharma corporations would still trying to be shutting down dispensaries. Theses "abusers" are bringing in money so the dispensaries will have enough money to fight off pharma corps trying to shut them down.

The "abusers" you speak of actually strengthen the whole system and are responsible for bringing increased access to medicine to real sick people. If that's abuse, I hope more people abuse the system.

I'm not going to debate this further.

Time after time after time you hear politicians stating medical marijuana is being abused.
Time after time you see new medical marijuana regulations being passed and bills being thrown around the state house to completely change the current architecture of medical programs.

You don't have to agree with me ... just don't be surprised if one day medical marijuana programs look nothing like they do now. (new state programs are already getting more and more restrictive) And don't be surprised if those medical programs have oversite from a government body and no more "free for all". Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see the FDA regulating medical marijuana within the next 5-10 years.

I guarantee states will hand over the legislation aspect of medical marijuana if the feds reschedule and create a regulatory body. Hell, states would love not having to deal with the headaches.

SativeX trials will be done by the end of the year here in the US ... I expect some pretty crappy legislation next year.
"This medical marijuana has been FDA approved" Don't be shocked.

back on topic guys...

im for the grower making a profit on the fruits of his labor, im not comfortable with the fact somewhere between his plantation and the consumer patient, numbers start getting crunched so that everyone but the person who will gladly donate truly receives anything more 'compassionate or charitable' than what his/her street dealer is willing to do.

Just becuase its a medicine doesnt mean you cant or shouldnt be able to use it for recreational reasons. Alcohol is used an a recreactional drug but its also used in niquil at 10%. So to say people cant use medication for recreation or visversa is not true and or law.Caffine is another good example it use in all kind of medicine and or medication.

Anyone should be able to use MMJ to make their life more comfortable and peaceful. I did not lie to my Dr,I just tould him I get headaches
and I didnt wont to pop pills.Not no migrains just regulare headaches, I and everyone should have the right to have any and all drugs, medicine or form of treatmet available that will benefit or help anyone have a better life.

And if smoking a joint make you feel better for whatever reason you should be able to have access.


The fact is people wont to get HI so if they "abuse" the MMJ program(wich I dont see how it could be abuse) then so be it who care lets just flood the world with weed and smoke tell weed die from lack of oxygen.

One other thing dont get mad just becuase theres people on earth that get HI all day long and dont have to worry about going to jail.

tc1 said:

Time after time after time you hear politicians stating medical marijuana is being abused.
Time after time you see new medical marijuana regulations being passed and bills being thrown around the state house to completely change the current architecture of medical programs..

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You just don't get what they are doing. If there was absolutely no one abusing the medical marijuana laws, they'd still be making speeches about how medical marijuana is evil and counties would still be passing laws trying to ban it.

George Bush called the DEA in to arrest aids patients for using medical marijuana. That was before there were thousands of clubs opening up. These people will fight the use of cannabis in any form under any circumstances.

The objections to medical marijuana have nothing to do with any perceived abuse of the medical system. They object to it no matter what. If you take away every medical card from everyone you see as abusing the system, these same people will still try and shut down/arrest every cannabis user in the state. These claims of abuse are just a cynical pretext to arrest people.

Even if you limit medical use to terminally ill people on their death beds, some people will still try to shut that down and arrest the people involved.