There Is Something More Important For Medical Patients Than Prop 19 On The Ballot

In California the Attorney general sets the guidelines that decide who the cops across the state should fuck with. In California the republican candidate is Steve Cooley. He is the one responsible for shutting down all the LA dispensaries. He says that their is nothing in prop 215 that allows collectives to sell marijuana.

I realize prop 19 is the most exciting thing on the ballot. But the attorney general's race is actually more important. The Attorney general is the one who decides how all these laws are enforced.

If Steve Cooley is elected it could potentially mean the end to the collective system in California. It could open up everyone who participates in collectives to prosecution. He calls prop 215 a scam. He claims that medical collectives are all supplied by the drug cartels. He says dispensaries are "dope dealers getting around the law".

The effects of prop 19 are debatable. It could be a good or bad thing. The effects of Steve Cooley being elected are not debatable. It would be a disaster for every single California bud smoker.

If you live in California and care about your freedom, please tell everyone you know to vote against Steve Cooley. Vote for Kamala Harris for attorney general.

This is much more important than prop 19. This guy has already shut down hundreds of dispensaries. Please inform others to what a disaster electing Cooley would be for California.

People on here state "EVERYONE is entitled to medical marijuana" and people wonder why politicians say its a scam?

Like I said ... the days of wild wild west medical marijuana programs are almost over. If we don't legalize soon, we'll be stuck in a HIGHLY REGULATED medical state in this country.

Politicians will say "You want medical marijuana .. fine ... you'll go to THIS doctor for a recommendation and you'll get your marijuana from THIS pill that Phizer has developed, bar coded, and is selling at a 300% price increase."

They're already trying to pass legislation in Oregon that will take all medical marijuana patients and place them on SativeX ... doing away with the current medical marijuana program.

i agree with you 100%

i do too believe some* dispensary's operations are a complete sham. i have actually been bringing this up a lot lately in other thread because i too have seen crazy trends of compassionate prices being on par with the street market.

as for him shutting down so many dispensaries, well im for that too. theirs gotta be some common sense economic rule that you shouldnt have a pot shop every 500 feet.(and dont argue the transportation because MOST shops offer a delivery service, and DONT complain if they charge a delivery fee, you order pizza right?)

the biggest shamble ive seen with shops are their *daily specials* u know the ones that have something cool each day. those seem more like a marketing ploy rather than a compassionate offer. i agree shops are being supplied by "drug cartels" maybe not in the sense of the wild west ole mexico but in the form of underground growing pushing thousands of dollars and not being acountable for it. if your making that much to where its your source of income then common! maybe this is your chance to be a self employeed business owner? all business' that are for profit pay taxes in america, its the law.

i for one would like to see shops being regulated now. why? they had their chance to use good faith and help those in need, instead their prices are fixed with the current black market, so whats keeping me from going to the even more convenient street vendor? peace of mind that you wont be arrested you say? if a cop sees you. well think of it like this you got a card for WHATEVER reason so be it. now your safe from conviction, so by going to a dispensary that money is going straight to someones pocket. not to things that taxes would be used for, so really help 1 person or 1 family come up heavily which they might use that money for good or evil?, because really unless its CONTROLLED we dont know WHO is growing. and we wont know for what reason, like i said it could be good and it could be evil, and if its something that affects the safety of ANYONE then theirs an issue because you are now leaving the realm of compassion to go on your own agenda, but maybe you might just like to blow your money on big expensive things because you worked hard for your crop, thats fine too. but no ones going to advertise they have a huge grow op thats generating thousands of thousands of dollars.

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be a citizen and help your community? you know how you complain you kids education sucks? or that your on the verge of getting your job cut because the state has no funds? yea well taxes help stuff like that.

"He calls prop 215 a scam. He claims that medical collectives are all supplied by the drug cartels. He says dispensaries are "dope dealers getting around the law".

The sad part is - he is right. All you have to do is read this, or any other forum such as this and you will see that many, it not most medical cards are issued to those without actual medical conditions.
I see people getting cards for non-existant ailments, and folks coaching others on how to scam the system on a daily basis.

If anyone is to blame for governments wanting to gain some control over medical marijuana - it is the medical marijuana community.
Marijuana was legalized only to help actual patients, and not to allow anyone who wants to get high a legal route.

A lot of us would like marijuana to be legalized outright, but that is not the situation for now, and it is scam patients, growers, and
dispensaries who are to blame for the push-back against the medical marijuana movement.

It's as simple as this. If Steve Cooley wins the Attorney General's race in California, we go back to full prohibition. Some people may not like the prices at certain dispensaries, but I think we can all agree that we are better off with the collective system then we were without it.

This could be the worst thing that could happen to cannabis users in California.

angelsbandit said:

The sad part is - he is right. All you have to do is read this, or any other forum such as this and you will see that many, it not most medical cards are issued to those without actual medical conditions.
I see people getting cards for non-existant ailments, and folks coaching others on how to scam the system on a daily basis.

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And the reason people have to do this is because when prohibition ended the people making a living busting people for alcohol got up in front of congress and lied about cannabis to make it illegal so they could still make a living busting people.

Sure, some people may scam the system. But what about all the people who really do have medical conditions that benefit from cannabis? How does closing down all the dispensaries benefit them?

if i a was part of 215 id want my money to go into a system that benefits all.

vradd said:

as for him shutting down so many dispensaries, well im for that too. theirs gotta be some common sense economic rule that you shouldnt have a pot shop every 500 feet.(and dont argue the transportation because MOST shops offer a delivery service, and DONT complain if they charge a delivery fee, you order pizza right?)

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Wait a sec. Who are you to say there shouldn't be a dispensary every 500 feet? Obviously they are getting enough customers to stay in business, so why shouldn't they be allowed to open and compete in a free market?

In the main street of my town there are 11 independent coffee shops in 8 blocks. Should they all be shut down too? We only need one coffee shop right? That'd be great. Then I can wait in line for a $10 cup of coffee. Sounds fun.

Boggles my mind how upset they get when you state they're abusing the system. Call a spade a spade ...

"Marijuana can be used for everything man ... medical marijuana was meant for everyone!"
No, Medical marijuana was meant for people with illnesses. If you don't have an illness, you are using the system in a way it wasn't intended for. If you're using the system in a way it wasn't meant for, your are abusing the system.

Pretty simple and easy to follow logic there.

Do I believe everyone can benefit from marijuana's medicinal effects? Absolutely! But that is NOT what current systems are there for. All they are doing is giving medical marijuana a bad name for people who have serious debilitating illnesses and absolutely NEED medical. Politicians and average's Americans feel like they've been duped and backlash is already starting to rear its ugly head.

It was tolerated by many in the movement when there was no chance to move legalization legislation through. But now we have a beacon of hope and some of the very same people abusing the system are fighting to keep it from happening. It's cowardly.

It's pretty easy to spot someone abusing the system too because they always get up in arms about the subject. They try to convince themselves that they're not abusing the system ... but they can't hide the truth from themselves.

People need to stop hiding behind falsehoods of sickness and fight for everyone's freedom to use marijuana in any way they deem fit.

"We're patients ... not criminals"
NO ONE should be a criminal for using marijuana.

well fuk cooley then ima vote for harris

tc1 said:

Do I believe everyone can benefit from marijuana's medicinal effects? Absolutely! But that is NOT what current systems are there for.

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Prop 215 was written in a way where just about anyone is eligible for medical marijuana. That is the system that the voters of California approved. It doesn't say only cancer and aids patients should benefit from medical marijuana.

So no, you're wrong. Symptoms like pain and insomnia are very common. Prop 215 doesn't exclude people with symptoms like that. Why should the state of California go against what people voted for?

Sure, some people might scam the system. But some people scam doctors into prescriptions for all kinds of things. If a patient scams a doctor into prescribing them Vicodin, they don't shut down Rite Aid and send the pharmacist to prison over that. Why should this be any different?

How does shutting down hundreds of dispensaries help people who really are sick? How does it help anyone else?

Cali.Grown>408 said:

well fuk cooley then ima vote for harris

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Excellent! Make sure to tell your friends.

yea actually i agree with the coffee shop thing cuz i do see tons lol...

but still i dont see whats the difference in getting a card then just buying from the local dealer? their intentions couldnt be any different than the dispensaries in taht the profit is being filtered to those who dont wanna pay taxes on it

Dan Kone said:

Prop 215 was written in a way where just about anyone is eligible for medical marijuana. That is the system that the voters of California approved. It doesn't say only cancer and aids patients should benefit from medical marijuana.

So no, you're wrong. Symptoms like pain and insomnia are very common. Prop 215 doesn't exclude people with symptoms like that. Why should the state of California go against what people voted for?

Sure, some people might scam the system. But some people scam doctors into prescriptions for all kinds of things. If a patient scams a doctor into prescribing them Vicodin, they don't shut down Rite Aid and send the pharmacist to prison over that. Why should this be any different?

How does shutting down hundreds of dispensaries help people who really are sick? How does it help anyone else?

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SECTION 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the Health and Safety Code, to read:
11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996.
(b)(1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:
(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
(B) To ensure that patients and their primary caregivers who obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes upon the recommendation of a physician are not subject to criminal prosecution or sanction.
(C) To encourage the federal and state governments to implement a plan to provide for the safe and affordable distribution of marijuana to all patients in medical need of marijuana.
(2) Nothing in this section shall be construed to supersede legislation prohibiting persons from engaging in conduct that endangers others, nor to condone the diversion of marijuana for nonmedical purposes.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no physician in this state shall be punished, or denied any right or privilege, for having recommended marijuana to a patient for medical purposes.
(d) Section 11357, relating to the possession of marijuana, and Section 11358, relating to the cultivation of marijuana, shall not apply to a patient, or to a patient's primary caregiver, who possesses or cultivates marijuana for the personal medical purposes of the patient upon the written or oral recommendation or approval of a physician.
(e) For the purposes of this section, ''primary caregiver" means the individual designated by the person exempted under this section who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person.


It's written pretty clear. Prop 215 is for people with illnesses for which medical marijuana can help alleviate. If you have no illness and are using Prop 215 so you can "legally" grow and use marijuana, you are abusing the medical program and effectively endangering the current rights of people who TRULY need medical marijuana.

for those with a military background ive seen reports ill post in a bit that show the VA is even considering it.

first off mmj patients have been asking for proper guidelines from state and local levels.you cant blame people for doing what they can within the law.
dispensaries do pay taxes Dispensaries are expected to file for a seller's permit and pay sales taxes to the Board of Equalization. This is consistent with state law, which requires sales taxes for all medicinal herbs and drugs except those sold by a licensed pharmacist upon a doctor's "prescription " (legally, doctors cannot "prescribe" marijuana, but only "recommend" or "approve" it).last year the state collected 100,000,000 dollors from sales of MMJ.
Another thing is prices are at street level because theres no patient growers who sell to despensaries because they think they will get in trouble and dispensaries need to grow thier own weed so they can sell at hole sale plus patients need to demand lower prices ,and not just say ok to $50 1/8.

At the least the MMJ program should be hailed because it gives the state a good practice with partioal legalization so that they will be better prepaired with proper guidelines and bylaws when full legalization happens.

I hear a lot of prop 19 supporters say that they should have the right to use mj just like a MMj patient does and that patients should not try and keep it mediacl or "be greedy" and at the same time these same people wont to say that MMJ patients right are a sham.You all should be ashamed for saying that MMJ program should not be allowed to exist.

One other thing it looks like to me that this thread was stated to stop the destruction of the MMJ programe as we no it today.

I'm certainly not saying medical marijuana patients rights are a sham.
I'm saying those who abuse the system are endangering the rights of those who truly need it. Abuse creates new restrictions and negative impacts.

I understand hiding behind medical marijuana because you don't want to go to jail for using or growing marijuana. I get it ... I do. Jail is pretty unhealthy.

I DON'T understand the morality of people who hide behind a medical program and do not continue to fight for the freedom for everyone to legally use marijuana.

well im on the side that wants it to be legal for all because if it scientifically cant kill you and people find *some benefit to it be it an ailness, recreational, or spiritual AND they CAN be respectful about others wishes towards it(dont be a stereotyped stoner) then why not.

i just dont like how shops use compassion and donations (yet set a price)

Are you going to tell someone what kind of pain they can and cannot use advil for.MMJ has a huge variety of ailments it could be used for and its up to a dr. to say if someone can use it for whatever ailment someone thinks they need it for.

If there where a magic medicine that trieted all ailments would you restrect it to only people that where realy noticably sick?

Definition of MEDICINE

1
a : a substance or preparation used in treating disease b : something that affects well-being

2
a : the science and art dealing with the maintenance of health and the prevention, alleviation, or cure of disease b : the branch of medicine concerned with the nonsurgical treatment of disease

3
: a substance (as a drug or potion) used to treat something other than disease

4
: an object held in traditional American Indian belief to give control over natural or magical forces; also : magical power or a magical rite

tc1 said:

It's written pretty clear. Prop 215 is for people with illnesses for which medical marijuana can help alleviate. If you have no illness and are using Prop 215 so you can "legally" grow and use marijuana, you are abusing the medical program and effectively endangering the current rights of people who TRULY need medical marijuana.

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So you think this is justification for shutting down dispensaries and send the owners to prison because a few patients may fake illnesses? How are dispensary owners suppose to know who has lied to a doctor? If dispensary owners should be shut down/sent to prison for serving patients who've lied to a doctor, then why not apply that to rite aid and walgreens too? People have lied to get vicidin prescriptions so the CEO of rite aid should be thrown in prison for that right?

If these growers weren't "abusing" the system then where is the medicine for the sick people supposed to come from? Should people on chemo be forced to grow their own medicine?

Maybe they should make people who just broke their backs produce their own Vicodin because some people lie to doctors to get vicodin perscriptions.