~The Scroggrotto~

I do more than scrog.

Fish, Explore Remote Alaska, Wildlife Biology & Environmental Science UAF, Commercial Fishing, Winter Subsitence Hunting, Jewlery Carving (Shed Walrus Tusk Ivory, Mammoth Tusk Ivory), Moderate for RIU, Alaska Winter Trapping, Photography Journaling for my Son, Tidal River Ice Fishing, Wildlife Photography, Tenderman/Crane Operator, etc...


Patients of Alaska are limited to 6 plants. ONLY 3 Mature and flowering at any one time. SCROG makes it worth it. Cost would outweigh the effort and reward if I were not a scrogger...

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amazing pictures mate and a cool new thread nice work im subbed

Ah, good to find where you landed, Woodsman-- I was worried that you skipped town. Sub'ed fo sho.

I have a question for Woodsman, or anyone else who has been scrogging or a while.

I'm running some Jillybean, Vortex and Lemon Skunk and am looking for the best choice of a clone mother. Of course I'm looking for strong branching, lots of trichs, flavor and quality of high.

I just don't know if the height or stretchyness of the plant matters, since it's going to be under a screen anyway. Do you have an opinion on the importance of height in the selection of a mother? Are there any other considerations that should be part of my selection process?

Whats up Woodsman? How ya been? Are you still running solar to power your grows?

Nice woodsman what do you scroggers think

Nitegazer said:

I have a question for Woodsman, or anyone else who has been scrogging or a while.

I'm running some Jillybean, Vortex and Lemon Skunk and am looking for the best choice of a clone mother. Of course I'm looking for strong branching, lots of trichs, flavor and quality of high.

I just don't know if the height or stretchyness of the plant matters, since it's going to be under a screen anyway. Do you have an opinion on the importance of height in the selection of a mother? Are there any other considerations that should be part of my selection process?

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Nice, I really appreciate all three strains your running pal. Lets make sure I am on the same page, your asking which strain to use as a mother? What phenotype to select? I am a bit confused sorry but I will shoot anyways.

Subs line; I would recommend learning what pheno you have and just how the plant will perform once flowered. His line has variations that are far different from one another. There are exceptional mothers to be had though.

Lemon Skunk from DNA made one of my favorite crosses to date, I call it Spiked Lemonaid. Its a really lemony LS crossed with a cut of Vortex that I found in 2007 that I stuck with.

The Lemon Skunk alone is a large plant with big foliage. She can eat. Makes a nice scrog, and fantastic finish.

Jilly, ran it several times and again I have to suggest doing your pheno selecting first. (Oriah did a Jilly here a while back. I think it was 1000 watts, smaller pheno, search it in grow journals)

If you had good select from each strain, I would honestly have a hard time choosing myself... Nice lineup pal!


Woodsmantoker~

Dirtfree said:

Whats up Woodsman? How ya been? Are you still running solar to power your grows?

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Howdy buddy, been a while eh? Good to see ya.

I myself am not. I am kinda out of the growing gig for a bit though I coach and what not.. You know me
Out of Alaska for a bit as well. A few gardens that I have helped with are using solar power to charge D-cell banks that are used for various things. One of the gardens has a bank of water drums that are about 12 feet off the ground. The lady with the show had breast cancer and lost a major portion of upper body in the process and uses a E-Z-Go (go cart on roids), to bring a single drum full out to her site. She then simply drops in hose from an inline pump that is connected to her battery (solar charged). She fills her "tower", then uses the raised water to gravity feed her 70' long green house.

Its nice to have bright blue drums hanging in the air without worry of the eye in the sky...

I started a personal run a while back (noted it in ETS/SUPP) but got really sick shortly after and handed it over.. Its not easy these days for this fella. No complaints though, I am here.

Woodsmantoker~

DrFrankenstien said:

Nice woodsman what do you scroggers think

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I think your enjoying something you will likely do again, and again!
What do you think about your run brother!?

Viva La Sativa!

Thanks for the share pal, Enjoy and keep us posted.

Woodsmantoker~

woodsmantoker said:

Nice, I really appreciate all three strains your running pal. Lets make sure I am on the same page, your asking which strain to use as a mother? What phenotype to select? I am a bit confused sorry but I will shoot anyways.

Subs line; I would recommend learning what pheno you have and just how the plant will perform once flowered. His line has variations that are far different from one another. There are exceptional mothers to be had though.

Lemon Skunk from DNA made one of my favorite crosses to date, I call it Spiked Lemonaid. Its a really lemony LS crossed with a cut of Vortex that I found in 2007 that I stuck with.

The Lemon Skunk alone is a large plant with big foliage. She can eat. Makes a nice scrog, and fantastic finish.

Jilly, ran it several times and again I have to suggest doing your pheno selecting first. (Oriah did a Jilly here a while back. I think it was 1000 watts, smaller pheno, search it in grow journals)

If you had good select from each strain, I would honestly have a hard time choosing myself... Nice lineup pal!


Woodsmantoker~

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Thanks, man. Glad you think the strains are winners. My next run will be Kali Mist, Sannies Jack, and Killing Fields. Going more Sativa than I have before.

Back the the question at hand. I was particularly asking about how to choose a pheno within a particular strain. I just don't know if height or stretchyness matters much, since it will all be below the screen. I'd like to hear your thoughts about scrogging tall stretchy plants vs. plants with shorter internodes. I appreciate your insights.

Peace.

a unwanted guest in my back yard

Nitegazer said:

Thanks, man. Glad you think the strains are winners. My next run will be Kali Mist, Sannies Jack, and Killing Fields. Going more Sativa than I have before.

Back the the question at hand. I was particularly asking about how to choose a pheno within a particular strain. I just don't know if height or stretchyness matters much, since it will all be below the screen. I'd like to hear your thoughts about scrogging tall stretchy plants vs. plants with shorter internodes. I appreciate your insights.

Peace.

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I only have a few before I need to run, Ill get back to you on this one; I would like to spend some time with you folks on this one. Its a really good question.

Until then,

Woodsmantoker~

just found the thread, and subbed..

started my seedlings last week in the search for a mother there from reg seeds, a haze strain but not sure as to which, seeds donated and the bro couldn`t remember the exact name, so spin the wheel and see what we get.....

at the moment theres 8 possible females vegging under 4 (36w) 6500k cfl`s, with 2 (65w) 2700k bulbs to be fitted in the homemade hood later tomorrow, there were on an 18on 6 off light schedule until yesterday when i cut that too 17on and 7 off just too help the roots along that little bit..

also transplanted them from the seed trays into 3 litre tubs, where they`ll stay for at least another two weeks, then its flipping to 12/12 and the fun really begins...


my scrog area (in theroy) will measure at least 2.5ft by 4.5 to 5 ft in width and lenght, final pot size will be ten litres with a hempy type filling with a "res" at the bottom, feeding daily and flushing once a week , soil for medium...

so lots of questions for you lot as this is my first atempt at scrog..

now after last grow i had some issues, not enough yeild with the cfl`s and other family stuff that meant moveing my modest room so plants were stressed etc etc..
yeilded about 1oz a plant but took forever under the cfl...well i taught so anyways..

so this time the veg cabinet will use the 6500k as these work really well here giveing lush green plants..

plans are to flower under a 600w hps or 2 if plans work out or more the finances, if its one then i think i will have a try at vert scrog of some decsribtion hahahahaha..

as i said its in its infancy at the moment and i`ll stick up some pics as i go, and get my camera back from the guy thats borrowed it.....

Another great thread WMT (hope you don't mind the short hand), Subbed and always +rep to you!

Here's my current grow, goes into 12/12 tonight.

Here's how the started off



and here's what they are now (7 weeks)



GHS Lemon Skunk - top left
G-13 Labs Blueberry Gum - bottom left
Barneys Vanilla Kush - top right
GHS Cheese - bottom right

regards,

ru4r34l said:

Another great thread WMT (hope you don't mind the short hand), Subbed and always +rep to you!

Here's my current grow, goes into 12/12 tonight.

Here's how the started off

and here's what they are now (7 weeks)

GHS Lemon Skunk - top left
G-13 Labs Blueberry Gum - bottom left
Barneys Vanilla Kush - top right
GHS Cheese - bottom right

regards,

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looks awesome, have you an idea of how much your yeild has increased since you have started scroging, even a fair estimation... newb scrog grower and just pondering on it ....

woodsmantoker said:

I think your enjoying something you will likely do again, and again!
What do you think about your run brother!?

Viva La Sativa!

Thanks for the share pal, Enjoy and keep us posted.

Woodsmantoker~

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Scrogging is the best, I love the fact that one plant all of a sudden looks like 5..!! SLH is the best a fine haze is just hard to find nowadays .. I'm using a uvb so I'm hoping it pushes it to the limits

Hey Drfrank just wanted to give you my idea on uvb lighting and how come there bad our atmosphere blocks out almost all UV lighting if it didn't nothing would grow and life as you know it would not exist on Earth . uvb lighting not only causes cell break down in plants , it also causes Genetic issues it causes Cancer, and other diseases to humans
Plants grown under artificial don't get a lot of uv light, most "grow lights" are only really interested in photosynthetic spectrum. Your plants may get sun burned because they aren't used to uv light. When growers move plants from under lights indoors, I always remind them to "harden off" their plants. Basically, they put them in a semi shaded spot, and work them up to full sun if that's what they need. If you just stuck the plants in the viv, at ground level they might get some minor burn, but the plants closer to the bulbs, might get severely burned, and actually die. If you can start them off farther away from the bulb, and then slowly move them closer if you're really worried about killing something from uv burn(plant wise). UV burn will turn leaves a straw kind of color. I am assuming that we're talking a new uv bulb here too, and not one that has lots of hours on it, since that will probably change the uv output just like it changed the lumen output.
Sorry for longish post, hope that better explains it for you.Physiological and developmental processes of plants are affected by UVB radiation, even by the amount of UVB in present-day sunlight. Despite mechanisms to reduce or repair these effects and a limited ability to adapt to increased levels of UVB, plant growth can be directly affected by UVB radiation.Indirect changes caused by UVB (such as changes in plant form, how nutrients are distributed within the plant, timing of developmental phases and secondary metabolism) may be equally, or sometimes more, important than damaging effects of UVB. These changes can have important implications for plant competitive balance, herbivory, plant diseases, and biogeochemical cycles.

DrGreener said:

Hey Drfrank just wanted to give you my idea on uvb lighting and how come there bad our atmosphere blocks out almost all UV lighting if it didn't nothing would grow and life as you know it would not exist on Earth . uvb lighting not only causes cell break down in plants , it also causes Genetic issues it causes Cancer, and other diseases to humans
Plants grown under artificial don't get a lot of uv light, most "grow lights" are only really interested in photosynthetic spectrum. Your plants may get sun burned because they aren't used to uv light. When growers move plants from under lights indoors, I always remind them to "harden off" their plants. Basically, they put them in a semi shaded spot, and work them up to full sun if that's what they need. If you just stuck the plants in the viv, at ground level they might get some minor burn, but the plants closer to the bulbs, might get severely burned, and actually die. If you can start them off farther away from the bulb, and then slowly move them closer if you're really worried about killing something from uv burn(plant wise). UV burn will turn leaves a straw kind of color. I am assuming that we're talking a new uv bulb here too, and not one that has lots of hours on it, since that will probably change the uv output just like it changed the lumen output.
Sorry for longish post, hope that better explains it for you.Physiological and developmental processes of plants are affected by UVB radiation, even by the amount of UVB in present-day sunlight. Despite mechanisms to reduce or repair these effects and a limited ability to adapt to increased levels of UVB, plant growth can be directly affected by UVB radiation.Indirect changes caused by UVB (such as changes in plant form, how nutrients are distributed within the plant, timing of developmental phases and secondary metabolism) may be equally, or sometimes more, important than damaging effects of UVB. These changes can have important implications for plant competitive balance, herbivory, plant diseases, and biogeochemical cycles.

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Thank you Dr G. I had heard several different things about uvb.. its naturally occurring outdoors and in the video ( link at bottom ) it mentions uvb as one of the reasons for more resin production ( sunscreen ) and that it activates more thc.. check it out .. I have been worried about it burning but I keep the bulb a decent distance... This is also a haze which are more prevalent closer to the equator where uvb levels are higher ... I do have 7 haze plants going without uvb.. 4 under a .1000 and 3 under a 400.. so I'll definitely be able to have a taste test.. hehehe.. muahahaha

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DlfiI78uN3Ks&v=lfiI78uN3Ks&gl=US

morning fellas, just a little update help keep the thread going, the plants are nice and tight noded only at there 5th set of 3 so still only babys...

have some clones comeing the weekend hopefully that are female so i might be able to get a screen going sooner than i tought, there a kush strain i belive, unsure really until they arrive..