The science game.

3rd Monkey · Mar 12, 2019

You can grow amazing pot.

All you have to do is buy these specialized nutrients that buffer ph, and bat guano that the great white buffalo shit out, and these fancy pots with holes, and these high tech lights, and a special flushing agent, and a custom "mortgage" only tent, and special hooks for training, this reverse osmosis dickifier filter, and this nutrient rich soil, and these loupes and refractoneters... Whew.

Been doing a LOT of research into a LOT of things. The cannabis realm is so polluted with propaganda and bullshit theories, it's just fucking ridiculous. Always trying to sell you some shit that you can't grow without... Yeah.

Talk about overwhelming info and underwhelming results. You can grow some pretty good pot in a 3 dollar bucket, some yard dirt and a bag of horseshit.

So, to all the first timers and guys running into nutrient line problems and led burns... Just keep it simple. Get the hang of it without spending thousands of dollars to grow BAGSEED. Save your money for quality genetics, since you're growing for the product anyway.

Ugh... I digress. Just had to rant because it would seem as if science is fucking up the game. Growing isn't supposed to be a hassle, so smile, you're growing pot.

Renfro · Mar 12, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
I digress. Just had to rant because it would seem as if science is fucking up the game

Thats propaganda and rumor more than science. I think that everyone wants to make a buck marketing to weed growers. It's money thats fucking things up.

Renfro · Mar 12, 2019

True genuine science is always valuable. It's just harder to detect bullshit with so many companies making so many claims.

3rd Monkey · Mar 12, 2019

Fair points. Should have rephrased to "twisting science".

xtsho · Mar 12, 2019

Jimmy the vest uk · Mar 12, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
You can grow amazing pot.

All you have to do is buy these specialized nutrients that buffer ph, and bat guano that the great white buffalo shit out, and these fancy pots with holes, and these high tech lights, and a special flushing agent, and a custom "mortgage" only tent, and special hooks for training, this reverse osmosis dickifier filter, and this nutrient rich soil, and these loupes and refractoneters... Whew.

Been doing a LOT of research into a LOT of things. The cannabis realm is so polluted with propaganda and bullshit theories, it's just fucking ridiculous. Always trying to sell you some shit that you can't grow without... Yeah.

Talk about overwhelming info and underwhelming results. You can grow some pretty good pot in a 3 dollar bucket, some yard dirt and a bag of horseshit.

So, to all the first timers and guys running into nutrient line problems and led burns... Just keep it simple. Get the hang of it without spending thousands of dollars to grow BAGSEED. Save your money for quality genetics, since you're growing for the product anyway.

Ugh... I digress. Just had to rant because it would seem as if science is fucking up the game. Growing isn't supposed to be a hassle, so smile, you're growing pot.

Good post mate, i too am just starting to understand the benefits of choosing the right genetics rather than putting myself down when things go wrong because of weak genetics. Your right its fucking ridiculous right now how far people want to take the science of it all, i bet they spend more time researching google than they do looking at there plants and learning in real time. I just started a thread in general mj growing and would love your views on what i been thinking recently

3rd Monkey · Mar 12, 2019

Jimmy the vest uk said:
Good post mate, i too am just starting to understand the benefits of choosing the right genetics rather than putting myself down when things go wrong because of weak genetics. Your right its fucking ridiculous right now how far people want to take the science of it all, i bet they spend more time researching google than they do looking at there plants and learning in real time. I just started a thread in general mj growing and would love your views on what i been thinking recently

I'll swing by.

redeyedfrog · Mar 12, 2019

Truth be known if you just grow with good genetics and healthy organic living soils you almost can get away with it for little costs and grow a superior product. I use fully composted manure worm castings guano good quality composted soil and seaweed and em1which costs me about 10 dollars a season to culture all are cheap and all i need to grow in my opinion the end result way better than out of a bottle.

3rd Monkey · Mar 12, 2019

redeyedfrog said:
Truth be known if you just grow with good genetics and healthy organic living soils you almost can get away with it for little costs and grow a superior product. I use fully composted manure worm castings guano good quality composted soil and seaweed and em1which costs me about 10 dollars a season to culture all are cheap and all i need to grow in my opinion the end result way better than out of a bottle.

Organic here as well, but coco is the only amendment I buy. Love coco.

old buzzard · Mar 12, 2019

science is great,and has made a difference.but somewhere it forgot that mother nature already provided everything the plant needs to be the best quality.even the dirt and the light.when I started growing inside I figured all I had to do was take the dirt and provide the light and try to stay out of her way.I agree that greed has moved in now that it has become legal in so many places and everyone is trying to make a buck off selling something.should not be surprised its the same greed that led to problems when it was illegal as well.only now they wear ties and set behind a desk and steal your money instead of shooting you.still best for beginners to learn about the plant itself instead spending a fortune on equipment and trying to figure all that out first.Good call on save the money and get good genetics.its not really that expensive.I have learned over the years best way to get the most from any living thing is to get to know them or it what ever the case may be.know what they like and do not like.I think sometimes were to afraid of failing and we just way overthink things today.not many want to take the time to learn first hand instead take the first piece of advise thrown at them and run with it seen some post on here where someone new had a question and got 100 different answers most of them were complicated poor fellow had to be twice as confused as he was.he was trying to do something he did not understand and in some cases the answers had nothing to do with his request.but have also sat back and seen some get tremendous help given as well now that's cool.I believe they get in trouble trying to make it harder than it should be for them.The best smoke does not always come from the best equipment but from the one with the most understanding.Some have both but the understanding must come first and is the most important .I'm glad I did not have the internet in the beginning.would it have been helpful ? absolutely.but I learned so much over time from just observation and it taught me not just how but( why) I do things the way I do them.I guess there is always a trade off.Lucky now I get the best of both the worlds.Still prefer the old simple way.Just my 1 cent worth and what the hell do I know I'm stoned or I probably would not have posted anything anyways in fact just ignore my ramblings.happy growing

old buzzard · Mar 12, 2019

scrolled up page after post and seen a ad by a fert company said all you need to grow great weed.the trap was set for the beginner to take. a starter kit it said.Dont think that should be the starting point.If they start there there going to be on here looking for help soon.

3rd Monkey · Mar 13, 2019

old buzzard said:
science is great,and has made a difference.but somewhere it forgot that mother nature already provided everything the plant needs to be the best quality.even the dirt and the light.when I started growing inside I figured all I had to do was take the dirt and provide the light and try to stay out of her way.I agree that greed has moved in now that it has become legal in so many places and everyone is trying to make a buck off selling something.should not be surprised its the same greed that led to problems when it was illegal as well.only now they wear ties and set behind a desk and steal your money instead of shooting you.still best for beginners to learn about the plant itself instead spending a fortune on equipment and trying to figure all that out first.Good call on save the money and get good genetics.its not really that expensive.I have learned over the years best way to get the most from any living thing is to get to know them or it what ever the case may be.know what they like and do not like.I think sometimes were to afraid of failing and we just way overthink things today.not many want to take the time to learn first hand instead take the first piece of advise thrown at them and run with it seen some post on here where someone new had a question and got 100 different answers most of them were complicated poor fellow had to be twice as confused as he was.he was trying to do something he did not understand and in some cases the answers had nothing to do with his request.but have also sat back and seen some get tremendous help given as well now that's cool.I believe they get in trouble trying to make it harder than it should be for them.The best smoke does not always come from the best equipment but from the one with the most understanding.Some have both but the understanding must come first and is the most important .I'm glad I did not have the internet in the beginning.would it have been helpful ? absolutely.but I learned so much over time from just observation and it taught me not just how but( why) I do things the way I do them.I guess there is always a trade off.Lucky now I get the best of both the worlds.Still prefer the old simple way.Just my 1 cent worth and what the hell do I know I'm stoned or I probably would not have posted anything anyways in fact just ignore my ramblings.happy growing

Same boat. You learn a lot by just watching them and observing how they react to what you do.

I don't think quality equipment is a bad thing, but outdoors is still better, since that's what we try to recreate. I've never seen a plant get bigger, grow faster, or produce more indoors than its outdoor counterpart. Maybe with a horrible grow season, maybe.

All in all, I agree that knowledge is the most important part and is often times free.

Glad you stopped by, even if you did ramble a bit. Rambling is usually when the best of you comes out lol.

ShedsAndTents · Mar 13, 2019

Welp shit. I love science lol
I concur money has been the drive behind the bullshit but, when you look back has it not been that way for a while? Aside from religious purposes and the beautiful innocence of the hobbyists/enthusiasts here, my experience has been dealers making a buck off of either quality or quantity.

Science is fundamental to growth! And if you can deal with the research, you can discern what's necessary and what is propaganda!
I personally think pH buffers are revolutionary given that pH issues can appear as every issue in the book.

You will find yourself searching for "guaranteed analyses" to find out how much those "miracle products" are worth the money or time.

On that note, without sounding like an investment agent, It will always cost you money. At bare mimimum there are upkeep costs. Just like gas in a car or food in your belly.

3rd Monkey · Mar 13, 2019

I can get down with that to an extent.

I could give you my life story about how I took 3 acres of swampland and turned it into a homestead in 2 years with just some pigs, a mule, and a chainsaw, but I don't want to bore you to death lol.

I will say this though. Prior to growing cannabis, I grew vegetables, fruit trees, and decorative plants/shrubs/trees without any equipment at all except a watering pale and some DE.

When I started growing cannsbis, I bought a fairly cheap Apollo 600W HPS/MH (around $130 8 or so years ago) and I still use it, using it right now lol.

That said, I think I do ok with just the knowledge and light I have. I breed my plants out, so I don't need to buy seeds but I enjoy new genetics.

Now if some backwoods, podunk fuck like me can do it for next to nothing... Anybody can. I don't have degrees in botany, or chemistry, or biology. I just watch the plants and let them tell me what they want.

This is actually the reason for this thread, because the big wigs in the cannabis community want to pollut such a simple process with "science" that constantly contradicts other "science".

So in essence, I think science and fancy equipment have their respective places... But without the simple knowledge of how to just read and watch plants... It's all pointless.

Example... Give the best grower the shittiest equipment and some quality genetics and they will still outperform a shitty grower with the best equipment and best genetics.

In conclusion, I agree science can be helpful... But I don't deem it necessary to overlook common sense or intuition. The atomic bomb... Best of intentions behind the science, weapon of mass destruction in application.

ShedsAndTents · Mar 13, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
I can get down with that to an extent.

I could give you my life story about how I took 3 acres of swampland and turned it into a homestead in 2 years with just some pigs, a mule, and a chainsaw, but I don't want to bore you to death lol.

I will say this though. Prior to growing cannabis, I grew vegetables, fruit trees, and decorative plants/shrubs/trees without any equipment at all except a watering pale and some DE.

When I started growing cannsbis, I bought a fairly cheap Apollo 600W HPS/MH (around $130 8 or so years ago) and I still use it, using it right now lol.

That said, I think I do ok with just the knowledge and light I have. I breed my plants out, so I don't need to buy seeds but I enjoy new genetics.

Now if some backwoods, podunk fuck like me can do it for next to nothing... Anybody can. I don't have degrees in botany, or chemistry, or biology. I just watch the plants and let them tell me what they want.

This is actually the reason for this thread, because the big wigs in the cannabis community want to pollut such a simple process with "science" that constantly contradicts other "science".

So in essence, I think science and fancy equipment have their respective places... But without the simple knowledge of how to just read and watch plants... It's all pointless.

Example... Give the best grower the shittiest equipment and some quality genetics and they will still outperform a shitty grower with the best equipment and best genetics.

In conclusion, I agree science can be helpful... But I don't deem it necessary to overlook common sense or intuition. The atomic bomb... Best of intentions behind the science, weapon of mass destruction in application.

I agree entirely. Here is a pic of some bagseed grown under a 300w (135w actual) Chinese LED that is ragged on by every forum. I found it at goodwill for 6$ as an experiment.

I re-used soil from the previous grow and that fed it through VEG and gave it AIO Bloom by NPK Industries (8$)

Maybe 30$ for the whole micro grow experiment after a new pair of clippers and a gallon pickle jar at goodwill.

Not beautiful but it taste, smells and works better than I could have guessed. Nice and frosty too

3rd Monkey · Mar 13, 2019

ShedsAndTents said:
I agree entirely. Here is a pic of some bagseed grown under a 300w (135w actual) Chinese LED that is ragged on by every forum. I found it at goodwill for 6$ as an experiment.

I re-used soil from the previous grow and that fed it through VEG and gave it AIO Bloom by NPK Industries (8$)

Maybe 30$ for the whole micro grow experiment after a new pair of clippers and a gallon pickle jar at goodwill.

Not beautiful but it taste, smells and works better than I could have guessed. Nice and frosty too
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Exactly. Looks good to me.

It's better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener in a war.

3rd Monkey · Mar 13, 2019

ShedsAndTents said:
I agree entirely. Here is a pic of some bagseed grown under a 300w (135w actual) Chinese LED that is ragged on by every forum. I found it at goodwill for 6$ as an experiment.

I re-used soil from the previous grow and that fed it through VEG and gave it AIO Bloom by NPK Industries (8$)

Maybe 30$ for the whole micro grow experiment after a new pair of clippers and a gallon pickle jar at goodwill.

Not beautiful but it taste, smells and works better than I could have guessed. Nice and frosty too
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2 gallon of mule shit from his pen and water from the hose bib lol.

ShedsAndTents · Mar 13, 2019

3rd Monkey said:
2 gallon of mule shit from his pen and water from the hose bib lol.

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That is substantially beautiful. Outdoors has been my favorite when I rented from a grower aswell. In a small apartment I've been downgraded to a 2ft x 2ft x 3ft high tent as per the wifes request lol i can't complain because I get a 3 ounce harvest every 3 months from a single plant grow starting seeds in the bathroom cabinet. Outdoors is a different ballgame though, idk if I'll ever change my profile picture of that 10 ounce monster that only took 4 months to grow a little supersoil and a lot of love.

3rd Monkey · Mar 13, 2019

ShedsAndTents said:
That is substantially beautiful. Outdoors has been my favorite when I rented from a grower aswell. In a small apartment I've been downgraded to a 2ft x 2ft x 3ft high tent as per the wifes request lol i can't complain because I get a 3 ounce harvest every 3 months from a single plant grow starting seeds in the bathroom cabinet. Outdoors is a different ballgame though, idk if I'll ever change my profile picture of that 10 ounce monster that only took 4 months to grow a little supersoil and a lot of love.

Indoors, 7 ounces on the left, 5 ounces on the right, in 4 months as well. 4x4x8 tent and no love lol. I was building a house at the time, so they got topped once and lucky they got that lol.

You can push your 3 ounces to 10 if you want to add a month, so 4 months total. I just do indoors to get my gardening fix in the winter months lol.

redeyedfrog · Mar 13, 2019

Outdoor full organic current grow from Australia full of worms and all and they are on autopilot all the way through to flower I add wormjuice seaweed and bat guano my EM1 and thats it. A scientist did uncover EM1 potential and brought it to third world countries for agriculture so thank you science. This thread is teally good great subject!

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