The marijuana bill has passed the Senate - and now things get dicey

gb123

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's bill legalizing recreational pot may have passed third reading in the Senate — but that doesn't mean its legislative journey will be a smooth or easy one from now on.

Senators made dozens of amendments to the government bill they sent back to the Commons Thursday night. Some of those amendments are likely to end up in the final bill. Others may not.

"We will have to go through the amendments. The minister will really provide information as to what amendments we are able to support, what amendments we're not able to support," said Liberal House Leader Bardish Chagger.

Actually, three ministers will be looking over the amended bill.

Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale will look at changes in the legislation that affect policing. Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor will consider amendments that touch on her portfolio and Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould will examine the legal implications of the Red Chamber's proposed changes.

Some of those changes are minor tweaks, while others involve substantial alterations to the version of the bill that arrived in the Senate.



The Senate's social affairs committee, for example, passed an amendment that would leave rules on home cultivation up to the provinces to determine, allowing them to prohibit home-growing altogether.



That could affect Canadians living in Quebec and Manitoba, where the provincial governments already have said they want to ban home cultivation — a part of the bill the Liberals are anxious to keep.



"We set out a framework in C-45 that ensures safe access across the country to a legal source of cannabis and that includes home cultivation," Wilson-Raybould said Friday.



"We've been clear on our messaging in terms of the purpose of the legislation, and Bill C-45. But having said that, of course we are going to consider every amendment that the senators are putting back to us."

The amendment debate begins


Conservative Quebec Sen. Claude Carignan's amendment would establish a public registry of cannabis industry investors and directors to keep organized crime from finding a foothold in the legal marijuana business.



Liberal Quebec Sen. Serge Joyal passionately supported that move, saying many medical marijuana companies have been infiltrated already by criminal elements through offshore entities.

Under that amendment, a cannabis company's directors, officers, controlling parent corporations or trusts, and their directors, members and shareholders, would be listed in a public registry.

Critics of that proposed change say it raises serious privacy concerns because that level of public disclosure does not exist for other publicly traded companies.



A Conservative amendment that was supported by about a dozen independent senators calls for a ban on promotional items, or 'swag', that advertise cannabis. The amendment isn't clear on how far the ban would go, or how it would be enforced by police.

The government backed away from imposing a limit on the height of home-grown cannabis plants because it decided that enforcing the restriction would be overly cumbersome for police. That same criticism has been applied to the proposed swag ban.



'A very good piece of legislation'


Chagger said ministers will be working through the weekend to complete their review of the amended bill. After that, their recommendations on the Senate's version of the bill will be presented to cabinet for consideration. Then a motion will be drafted outlining which amendments the government can accept, which will be put before the Commons for a vote.

The House will send a message back to the Senate detailing which amendments it will adopt. If the Senate insists on amendments that the House has rejected, the upper chamber can then send the bill back to MPs.

This game of legislative ping pong can continue for a number of rounds — though typically one of the chambers eventually relents. In the event of an impasse, the two chambers of Parliament could delegate members to hold a rare face-to-face conference to settle their differences.



"I would think if we work overtime, like we've already been doing, that the earliest would probably be late Monday that we'd be able to put something on notice," Chagger said.



With Parliament's summer break fast approaching, the government is feeling pressure to move Bill C-45 along briskly — especially since the prevailing attitude in cabinet is that the government bill was in good shape before it went to the Senate.



"Bill C-45 ... when we brought it forward, we feel very confident that we had a very good piece of legislation," said Petitpas Taylor.



Once the motion on the final version of bill comes before the House, it will be debated before a vote is held. Each member can then speak to the motion, with time for questions on each speech.



If the government believes the Opposition plans to delay the bill through debate, it can limit the length of that debate through a procedural tool called time allocation.



"Mr. Scheer has been clear that on principle they oppose that legislation, so we know how they will be voting," Chagger said when asked if she planned to invoke time allocation.

"Hopefully they will endeavour to want to work better together, because they know how important it is for us to send a message back to the Senate as soon as possible."

Recreational pot won't be instantly legal once the bill passed both houses. As currently written, the bill stipulates the law does not come into force until a date fixed by an order of the governor-in-council — Trudeau's cabinet.

Full legalization is not expected until August at the earliest, as provinces have said they will need eight to 12 weeks of prep work before they can start selling the product to consumers.
 

gb123

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12 weeks has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BUT THIS DOES!

"As currently written, the bill stipulates the law does not come into force until a date fixed by an order of the governor-in-council — Trudeau's cabinet."

so it's when ever "they say" has been all along!!
 

WHATFG

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Under that amendment, a cannabis company's directors, officers, controlling parent corporations or trusts, and their directors, members and shareholders, would be listed in a public registry.

Critics of that proposed change say it raises serious privacy concerns because that level of public disclosure does not exist for other publicly traded companies.
Waaaaannnnnnn......we have to keep the children safe and the criminals out....lol...
Recreational pot won't be instantly legal once the bill passed both houses. As currently written, the bill stipulates the law does not come into force until a date fixed by an order of the governor-in-council — Trudeau's cabinet.

Full legalization is not expected until August at the earliest, as provinces have said they will need eight to 12 weeks of prep work before they can start selling the product to consumers.
there it is....the "hurry up and wait" clause...it ain't legal until the fucking day the government says its legal....no sharing on day 1 post royal assent.
 

cannadan

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those of you wanting to grow for the first time this summer..should you wait??????
In my opinion....no.... but there is something to be said about an individuals comfort level ...with getting a head start on legalization....
of course it has not stopped any LP's from overgrowing the medical side of things....and prepping for legalization...and the rec market....
I doubt they are sweating it too much
 

gb123

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those of you wanting to grow for the first time this summer..should you wait??????
In my opinion....no.... but there is something to be said about an individuals comfort level ...with getting a head start on legalization....
of course it has not stopped any LP's from overgrowing the medical side of things....and prepping for legalization...and the rec market....
I doubt they are sweating it too much
been sayin it all along.
whats the diff between Dan and say an LP? When it comes to growing meds?
Well??!! Ill tell you
Dans meds are clean...and good.

I dont need to say anything about LP's because WE ALL KNOW they are the complete opposite in this deal wit their 20 some odd POISON chems they are allowed to spray on your meds...for profit only of course...
 

VIANARCHRIS

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If I weren't legal already, I'd start acting like it now. Even in the off chance you run into an a cop who wants to be an asshole, by the time it gets to court it's legal and a judge is likely going to throw it out or stay the charges. Justin will pardon you anyway.
 

cannadan

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I agree Chris and since we are also medical ...no judge would convict...
I schooled about 10 people this week at the pain clinic.....since I walked into a massive group conversation about cannabis...
by a bunch who had not tried it yet but were all considering it...
they were also all ears once I mentioned the true cost of doin it for yourself....
and it being less than a buck per gram
 
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CalyxCrusher

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Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale will look at changes in the legislation that affect policing. Health Minister Ginette Petitpas Taylor will consider amendments that touch on her portfolio and Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould will examine the legal implications of the Red Chamber's proposed changes.
Great the three stooges are in charge of review. Some of the most incompetent people on the subject (and in general)left to decide..........
 

Dr.J20

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So I'm visiting family in Canada right now and I'm going to be here for a while. Given what you folks are saying, do you think it would be fine for me to order from one of the online dispensaries? I noticed from stats canada in another of gb123's posts, that 20% of cannabis users get their herb this way, so i'm guessing if you folks think it'd be fine to start growing, then getting a few disposable vapes would be a-ok.

Anyone see any reason why I wouldn't be able to / shouldn't do it that way?

Thanks for the help!!

be easy,

:leaf: :peace: :leaf:
 

The Hippy

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So I'm visiting family in Canada right now and I'm going to be here for a while. Given what you folks are saying, do you think it would be fine for me to order from one of the online dispensaries? I noticed from stats canada in another of gb123's posts, that 20% of cannabis users get their herb this way, so i'm guessing if you folks think it'd be fine to start growing, then getting a few disposable vapes would be a-ok.

Anyone see any reason why I wouldn't be able to / shouldn't do it that way?

Thanks for the help!!

be easy,

:leaf: :peace: :leaf:
Order away....thousands do daily.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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So I'm visiting family in Canada right now and I'm going to be here for a while. Given what you folks are saying, do you think it would be fine for me to order from one of the online dispensaries? I noticed from stats canada in another of gb123's posts, that 20% of cannabis users get their herb this way, so i'm guessing if you folks think it'd be fine to start growing, then getting a few disposable vapes would be a-ok.

Anyone see any reason why I wouldn't be able to / shouldn't do it that way?

Thanks for the help!!

be easy,

:leaf: :peace: :leaf:
I've never ordered meds online, so I can't speak for that, but I'd be leery this close to legalization. They are going to want to stop "illicit" sales so I can see a crackdown coming - maybe post office seizures? Maybe I'm just being paranoid? If you are within striking distance of a store front dispensary, that's the way I'd go. No worries with possession in most parts of the country - just be discreet.
 

cannadan

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according to the article...!!!
Top Ten records or achievements set by
Tweed or Canopy growth corp
10. "the most recognized brand of poison cannabis" in the world".
9. " the most recognized brand of swag cannabis in the world"
8. " the top user of poisonous chemicals for cannabis in the world"
7. " the record setting..low wage paying grower of cannabis in the world"
6." the largest, producer of tiny cannabis buds in the world "
5." the record holder for the driest cannabis buds in the world"
4. " the record holder for the most over valued stock in the cannabis world

3. " the hands down leader for chia and sunflower oil diluted cannabis oils in the world"
2. " the most acres in production of a cannabis like product with no market,in the world"
1. " ranked #1 by medical patients as the leading medical cannabis LP to avoid in the world"



"satire to be taken seriously"lol
 
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