The end of suffering

I can show you the way out. If anyone needs a way out of suffering I can show you the way to Peace and Bliss. Only those who are ready to awaken will understand, I'm sorry that's just the way it is, you have to be truly tired of suffering, it needs to he matter of survival. If you do not want to discuss it on an open forum then feel free to send me a message.

Beachwalker said:

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Lol, I'm a witch doctor hoping to conquer your souls with words, you have reason to be paranoid lol!!!!

New Age United said:

Lol, I'm a witch doctor hoping to conquer your souls with words, you have reason to be paranoid lol!!!!

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Where does the authority of your word come from? Why should I believe you instead of the friendly neighborhood vagrant spouting off missives about the universe?

doogledore said:

Where does the authority of your word come from? Why should I believe you instead of the friendly neighborhood vagrant spouting off missives about the universe?

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There is no authority, just words. It's not about adding concepts and beliefs to your thinking, it's not about changing your thinking at all, but rather stopping the mind in its tracks and allowing you to realize some simple things, allowing you to take a break from the constant stream of compulsive thinking, which is the root of all suffering, the situation is never the cause of suffering but rather your minds reaction to it causes suffering, I can show you how to break free of the constant action and reaction, also show you the unimportance of all things, allowing you to let go of the seriousness and heaviness of life allowing you freedom to enjoy the present as it is, not living in the past and future where pain and anxiety build up but in the here and now where you can realize the pristine and abundant nature of the universe as it exists in this moment.

i like you, but this is a load of ....that^
enlightenment comes after much suffering and tribulation....you're saying you can remove all hope of a person ever achieving enlightenment.....NOTHING in life is free, and anything worth having involves a little suffering and tribulation...

Roger A. Shrubber said:

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i like you, but this is a load of ....that^
enlightenment comes after much suffering and tribulation....you're saying you can remove all hope of a person ever achieving enlightenment.....NOTHING in life is free, and anything worth having involves a little suffering and tribulation...

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Enlightenment will forever be a future goal as long as you don't reach the point of a leap in evolution. Some time ago a fish probably got stranded in a tide pool, and so it's only choice was to evolve or die, so it learned to live on land, you are taking my words and telling me the exact opposite of what they plainly and simply mean. Once a person reaches the point where they have a choice to either evolve or die(caused by intense suffering, the current human condition) then there is a chance for Enlightenment, not as a goal to be attained in the future but something that ca be had right now.

True Enlightenment is a state of being in which the subject is completely and fully Present, rather than there awareness being stuck in the darkness of past and future, which are really just thoughts taking place right now, all that exists is now, there is no time. In this state of being you feel nothing but Peace, Bliss and Love which are not emotions, they are an intrinsic part of your being and emanate from a place much deeper that your quickly fleeting thoughts, they are eternal, just as the sun can be blotted out by the storm so to can the Light within you be covered up by the storm of thoughts and emotions.

I assure you, anything worth accomplishing should not bring you suffering, you should thoroughly enjoy everything you do, when you are Present a spiritual power flows through you and goes into everything you do, bc you are paying full attention to the here and now a much greater quality will be noticed in every action and everything you create, even your movements will become more graceful, that is what this is all about, humanities return to Grace. It is quickly becoming a matter of survival for the entire population, I do this out of the most selfless Love without fear of ridicule, I've been doing it for years, I have become a vehicle of consciousness, you cant fight the darkness, all you can do is shine the Light.

When Siddhartha was asked what is Enlightenment? All he replied was "the end of suffering".

You sound like you don't get out much?

we don't get a choice to evolve or not....successful organisms do it, unsuccessful ones do not.
spiritually "successful" people have that epiphany, reach that plateau, learn to accept others for what they are, and themselves for what they are...personal spiritual enlightenment is earned...epiphanies don't come cheap, and they don't come when you call them. plateaus are reached by climbing the mountain they are a part of. Acceptance usually comes at the cost of a few humiliating and painful lessons....
enlightenment may be the end of suffering, but there's no way to avoid the suffering it takes to achieve it, first.

Beachwalker said:

You sound like you don't get out much?

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I'm schizophrenic I don't get out at all.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

we don't get a choice to evolve or not....successful organisms do it, unsuccessful ones do not.
spiritually "successful" people have that epiphany, reach that plateau, learn to accept others for what they are, and themselves for what they are...personal spiritual enlightenment is earned...epiphanies don't come cheap, and they don't come when you call them. plateaus are reached by climbing the mountain they are a part of. Acceptance usually comes at the cost of a few humiliating and painful lessons....
enlightenment may be the end of suffering, but there's no way to avoid the suffering it takes to achieve it, first.

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Yes you make perfect sense here I agree 100%, nothing I am saying goes against that, except of course the choice to evolve or die, no you are right they either just evolve or they do not very good point.

The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer is a great starting point for seekers and much more coherent than lets say The Power of Now haha. The chapter "A Place Beyond Pain" fundamentally changed me (if there was no pain, would there also be no beauty?) Is what is beautiful to one person ugly to another? By what standard do we judge beauty, pain, anything....

As you can see, I jumped off the new age ship once I realized when everyone's feelings are valid, no one's feelings are valid and the whole belief system devolves into relativism. The search for absolute truth is much more intriguing, we all appeal to a law of how things "ought" to be. You're doing it right now reading this post and thinking he ought not be saying these things or he should be saying these things.

Ask, seek, knock. Good luck!

doogledore said:

The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer is a great starting point for seekers and much more coherent than lets say The Power of Now haha. The chapter "A Place Beyond Pain" fundamentally changed me (if there was no pain, would there also be no beauty?) Is what is beautiful to one person ugly to another? By what standard do we judge beauty, pain, anything....

As you can see, I jumped off the new age ship once I realized when everyone's feelings are valid, no one's feelings are valid and the whole belief system devolves into relativism. The search for absolute truth is much more intriguing, we all appeal to a law of how things "ought" to be. You're doing it right now reading this post and thinking he ought not be saying these things or he should be saying these things.

Ask, seek, knock. Good luck!

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That's very well spoken I wish you the best in your search, I hope one day you will have found Peace because let me tell you I've been through pain and Peace is far more beautiful imo. Interesting how you speak of the power of now, have you read a new earth, it saved my life.

Absolute truth teaser: Why is it "wrong" to steal? Why is it wrong to "cheat"? Why is it "wrong" to do anything perceived as "bad?"

If we searched the entire universe end to growing end could we find a moral absolute to pin our logic on that would be true no matter where we went in this big wide universe?

New Age United said:

That's very well spoken I wish you the best in your search, I hope one day you will have found Peace because let me tell you I've been through pain and Peace is far more beautiful imo. Interesting how you speak of the power of now, have you read a new earth, it saved my life.

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New Age United! You're missing it...your peace could be my hell. My hell could be your peace. Who is right?

edit: What does peace mean to you?

doogledore said:

New Age United! You're missing it...your peace could be my hell. My hell could be your peace. Who is right?

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Words are only worth so much, peace is peace, it's the same in you as it is in me, no need to search you already have it, look within.

If we already have peace within us, why are we suffering?

Edit: Why are you offering us a way out of suffering if peace "already exists" within us?

doogledore said:

If we already have peace within us, why are we suffering?

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The mnd is maya or dukka as the saying goes meaning the mind is suffering. Our thoughts and emotions have developed into a monster in many cases, of course not all people suffer as much as others, I know many people who have no need of my teaching bc they are already Enlightened, naturally so, but there are others who need my help and that is why I posted this thread. "You do not send a physician to those who are healthy "

Your thoughts affect your emotions and that emotional energy(anger, boredom, anxiety, sadness, fear, all forms of suffering) build a up in your body and thus affects your thinking and it becomes a vicious cycle, we are suffering bc there is a storm brewing inside us, before you can transcend suffering you first have to accept it, dont resist surrender, give up the fight.

Many people are constantly bothered by their own minds, they are literally addicted to their painful emotions, they do not actually want their suffering to end, which makes teaching this stuff to people very difficult, in fact it is impossible until they are truly fed up with suffering, again many people are already past it, some are born without heavy emotional pain-bodies.

Very good question if you want further explanation I will be around tonight.

Love the exchange New Age United but that wont be necessary.

Quoting Jesus eh? That's cool, why didn't you just come out and say you were on a mission from God?

And no I don't have all the answers for instance I have no idea how the suffering began I just know that it is there now