The Dons' Organic Garden

Stinky_Jones

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@DonTesla is there anything you would do to encourage a clone to revert back to healthy vegetative growth, should it be displaying single leaves and curled growth?

I took a SSDD cutting at two weeks and she’s struggling to veg.

Any tips or tricks?
 

Bongsmoke420

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I’m DE Gavita all the way and I veg under a 1000w MH. The Mars Hydro was just to play with. It’s a disposable item. I can’t believe they got these on the market.

I would try other forms of LED maybe one day.

ATM I’m thinking about experimenting with a CMH kit.
Cool Im relatively new to growing my own but I have started on led And upgraded to some of the best leds I think... I’m about to harvest some pineapple chunk and Bruce banner nugs are hard as
 

giglewigle

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I’m going to be doing an indoor but I’m addressing things in my life so won’t be able to dedicate as mutch time as I want to this gotta get myself right but I can’t wait to continue this journey with y’all don mate the offer still stands tho I’ll work for free for the cause XD lol best of luck with you’re PhD mate
 

Stinky_Jones

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@DonTesla is there anything you would do to encourage a clone to revert back to healthy vegetative growth, should it be displaying single leaves and curled growth?

I took a SSDD cutting at two weeks and she’s struggling to veg.

Any tips or tricks?
She just needed longer than all the other ladies. She’s shooting serated leaves now.
 

ACitizenofColorado

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@DonTesla is there anything you would do to encourage a clone to revert back to healthy vegetative growth, should it be displaying single leaves and curled growth?

I took a SSDD cutting at two weeks and she’s struggling to veg.

Any tips or tricks?
My 2 cents, and I don't mean to step on your toes Don, so please let me know where/if I'm off anywhere.

About the weird growth, I wouldn't worry about it. Often, when cloning a flowering plant, I see non-typical growth for a period of time. It probably has something to do with the roots and hormones as the plant transfers back to a vegging cycle from flower. I use 2.5 inch cloning cubes and clones taken with peat cubes. Abnormal growth occurs for the first week or three.

In 2.5 inch cubes, if after a few weeks there is no vigorous roots growing out of the bottom, I'm concerned and may transplant another clone of the same strain. Both clones in peat cubes or rock wool and small transplants appear to grow best with moderate drying cycles; in my experience, letting peat cubes and small transplants dry out can stimulate root growth. Paradoxically, as a soil grower, I do not like to let my larger pots dry out too much for fear of losing my microbial community.

If roots are visibly vigorously growing, more likely than not, the a-typical growth will normalize.

About ways to speed it up, I inoculate the roots with a few types of mycorrhizae during every transplant. I use compost teas to inoculate; no burning has ever been observed from compost tea application. The teas have everything, specifically fresh earth worm compost, and seed sprouted teas.

A few questions: what is the clone in? If it rooted and you replanted, in what size container is it? How far into flower is the mother plant? Maybe think about taking another half dozen cuts. I have observed that, concerning which is more likely to root and grow successfully, vegging plants clone easier than flowering plants; to achieve approximately equal cloning success rates, a batch of clones from flowering plants need to be larger than those taken from a vegging plant.

Common convention is to lollipop significantly. I often leave a few smaller branches tucked down below my canopy, growing but not taking up prime maturation space, should I later need clones of anything.

There really isn't a bad time to take clones in flower. Worst case scenario, harvest and put the pot right back into veg. Otherwise, if before harvest, I like to clone in batches.
 

Stinky_Jones

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Hi @ACitizenofColorado , I feel the gist of my original question may have been lost in translation.

I was asking @DonTesla about the vegging characteristics of a specific strain, being Bodhi's Sunshine Daydream. I have a beautiful sour berry example in which I took clones at 2 weeks of flower. I had zero issues with rooting, the problem lay in the fact that once the SSDD rooted, it developed stunted and severely twisted growth. This lasted for about 5 weeks (+ original rooting time), before it started to shoot new lime green serrated leaves. That's why a couple of posts down I quoted myself with the answer being to wait longer.

To add, I always lollipop my clones. It encourages much stronger branching and less need for support in flower.

I never use any teas, I just top dress. My worms do enough wee's and poo's for me to water in plenty of nutrients.

I'm big on mushroom compost.

Either way, thanks for your input on your cloning techniques. I'm sure we can all take something away from it!

:)


My 2 cents, and I don't mean to step on your toes Don, so please let me know where/if I'm off anywhere.

About the weird growth, I wouldn't worry about it. Often, when cloning a flowering plant, I see non-typical growth for a period of time. It probably has something to do with the roots and hormones as the plant transfers back to a vegging cycle from flower. I use 2.5 inch cloning cubes and clones taken with peat cubes. Abnormal growth occurs for the first week or three.

In 2.5 inch cubes, if after a few weeks there is no vigorous roots growing out of the bottom, I'm concerned and may transplant another clone of the same strain. Both clones in peat cubes or rock wool and small transplants appear to grow best with moderate drying cycles; in my experience, letting peat cubes and small transplants dry out can stimulate root growth. Paradoxically, as a soil grower, I do not like to let my larger pots dry out too much for fear of losing my microbial community.

If roots are visibly vigorously growing, more likely than not, the a-typical growth will normalize.

About ways to speed it up, I inoculate the roots with a few types of mycorrhizae during every transplant. I use compost teas to inoculate; no burning has ever been observed from compost tea application. The teas have everything, specifically fresh earth worm compost, and seed sprouted teas.

A few questions: what is the clone in? If it rooted and you replanted, in what size container is it? How far into flower is the mother plant? Maybe think about taking another half dozen cuts. I have observed that, concerning which is more likely to root and grow successfully, vegging plants clone easier than flowering plants; to achieve approximately equal cloning success rates, a batch of clones from flowering plants need to be larger than those taken from a vegging plant.

Common convention is to lollipop significantly. I often leave a few smaller branches tucked down below my canopy, growing but not taking up prime maturation space, should I later need clones of anything.

There really isn't a bad time to take clones in flower. Worst case scenario, harvest and put the pot right back into veg. Otherwise, if before harvest, I like to clone in batches.
 
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