Tesla New Model Unveil...

mooray said:

Nooooo, he's not worse than that crackhead!

But, it is important to separate the man from the product. Their cars are cool, no getting around it. I just want to see them start pushing new product development more into the Aptera category, instead of the Escalade category. What's the point of electric if you just keep on with this gluttony segment.

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I want an Aptera but not a Lyriq.

doublejj said:

fuel prices are going up...that costs money. Soon it will be a push.

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Please don't mistake me for someone defending internal combustion powered vehicles, other than as interesting museum pieces. I'm a fan of Union Pacific's 4-8-8-4 Big Boy stream locomotive too but I wouldn't advocate for such behemoths to be in regular service today.

In fact, some of America's earliest fleets of delivery trucks were electric, running on hard rubber tires and carrying whatever freight they could in excess of the tons and tons of lead acid batteries they had to haul. Some of those trucks ran for decades.

The battery weight vs useful load compromise is just that and as we have been seeing for a decade now, we will continue developing ever better batteries until our grandkids wonder what it was we ever saw in those noisy, stinking, leaking diesel powered trucks- including not just Freightliners and Kenworths, but the Ford, Chevy and Dodge pickups sitting in millions of driveways now.

Fogdog said:

hydrogen is a dumb idea for cars.

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And you have NEVER seen me advocate for it; just because a thing can be done does not make it a good idea. Witness: skateboards lol Hydrogen can be run in current internal combustion engines as a way to reduce emissions while battery powered trucks, tractors and heavy duty off road machinery can be fully converted. This hydrogen can be made from renewable sources, breaking the connection between fossil fuels and these vehicles. It's about availability until production capacity for full electric versions is established, hence "bridge fuel".

Try to keep up.

ttystikk said:

And you have NEVER seen me advocate for it; just because a thing can be done does not make it a good idea. Witness: skateboards lol Hydrogen can be run in current internal combustion engines as a way to reduce emissions while battery powered trucks, tractors and heavy duty off road machinery can be fully converted. This hydrogen can be made from renewable sources, breaking the connection between fossil fuels and these vehicles. It's about availability until production capacity for full electric versions is established, hence "bridge fuel".

Try to keep up.

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lulz at the idea that I keep track of what you said.

This is a thread about electric cars. Hydrogen is a dumb idea for electric cars. I know you can't understand this, but context matters.

Try to keep up.

Tesla improved.

CatHedral said:

Tesla improved.

We Drive A Hybrid Tesla Model 3 That Runs On Gasoline

There's a company in Austria called Obrist that is using Teslas as a testbed for its hybrid powertrain technology - they have Teslas that run on gasoline.

www.google.com

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??? That makes it a Lotus. (again)

CatHedral said:

Tesla improved.

We Drive A Hybrid Tesla Model 3 That Runs On Gasoline

There's a company in Austria called Obrist that is using Teslas as a testbed for its hybrid powertrain technology - they have Teslas that run on gasoline.

www.google.com

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A few years aback there was a hybrid that had a small gas engine that ran a generator that powered the electric motors that moved the car. It didn't store the power in batteries, other than a small one for cranking. I can't remember if it was for sale, or just a prototype. It was in the 60-75 mpg range.

injinji said:

A few years aback there was a hybrid that had a small gas engine that ran a generator that powered the electric motors that moved the car. It didn't store the power in batteries, other than a small one for cranking. I can't remember if it was for sale, or just a prototype. It was in the 60-75 mpg range.

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This is called a series hybrid. Chevy Volt/Opel Ampere (first generation), Fisker Karma, Cadillac ELR are all examples of this type.

The car you describe has more or less replaced the transmission with a generator and electric motor. The battery is very useful for load matching, which is why most hybrids have one.

It turns out that converting all of the engine's rotational energy into electricity and then back into torque is less efficient than direct drive. This is why parallel hybrids are more prevalent. Both are far less efficient and more complex than battery electric vehicles (BEVs).

ttystikk said:

This is called a series hybrid. Chevy Volt/Opel Ampere (first generation), Fisker Karma, Cadillac ELR are all examples of this type.

The car you describe has more or less replaced the transmission with a generator and electric motor. The battery is very useful for load matching, which is why most hybrids have one.

It turns out that converting all of the engine's rotational energy into electricity and then back into torque is less efficient than direct drive. This is why parallel hybrids are more prevalent. Both are far less efficient and more complex than battery electric vehicles (BEVs).

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I did a lot of research before we bought the '05 Prius, but haven't really looked into it since. By the way, the Prius C is not nearly the car a regular Prius is. We have a '15 and I really dislike it. It's like what a college kid would drive.

injinji said:

I did a lot of research before we bought the '05 Prius, but haven't really looked into it since. By the way, the Prius C is not nearly the car a regular Prius is. We have a '15 and I really dislike it. It's like what a college kid would drive.

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I'm saving my pennies for a BEV. And solar panels lol

ttystikk said:

I'm saving my pennies for a BEV. And solar panels lol

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Keep pimping your woman at those sleazy motels, make sure you shake her down to ensure she doesn't keep any tips and look out for popo.

Next time don't let her keep 25%, Tyler. Maybe more physical abuse is required. The environment depends on it!

“Stoffels stated that Davidson used mental and physical abuse to get her to continue to prostitute” and took “half to three quarters of the money she made,” according to the affidavit.

Good thing your family took over custody of your kid, otherwise you might have to pay for her food.

You'll get that BEV eventually.

Casper prostitution sting nets 3 arrests

Everyone has electric vehicles either being delivered or rolling off the assembly line. Tesla, Ford, Nissan, Audi, Volkswagen, BMW, Volvo, etc... The field is getting crowded with many choices. Which is great for both the consumer and to advance the technology.

Unclebaldrick said:

Keep pimping your woman at those sleazy motels, make sure you shake her down to ensure she doesn't keep any tips and look out for popo.

Next time don't let her keep 25%, Tyler. Maybe more physical abuse is required. The environment depends on it!

“Stoffels stated that Davidson used mental and physical abuse to get her to continue to prostitute” and took “half to three quarters of the money she made,” according to the affidavit.

Good thing your family took over custody of your kid, otherwise you might have to pay for her food.

You'll get that BEV eventually.

Casper prostitution sting nets 3 arrests

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I own soooooo much real estate in your head.

Too bad it will never amount to anything.

ttystikk said:

I own soooooo much real estate in your head.

Too bad it will never amount to anything.

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Keep flattering yourself. Trafficking anyone new these days, pimp?

PBS had a good program on Musk last night. Worth the watch.

Fossil fuel industry gets subsidies of $11m a minute, IMF finds

doublejj said:

Fossil fuel industry gets subsidies of $11m a minute, IMF finds

Fossil fuel industry gets subsidies of $11m a minute, IMF finds

Trillions of dollars a year are ‘adding fuel to the fire’ of the climate crisis, experts say

www.theguardian.com

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Until these subsidies change, nothing else will.

ttystikk said:

Until these subsidies change, nothing else will.

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vote republicans out.....

Not a Tesla but I came across one of these in a parking lot the other day. I waited around for a few minutes to ask the owner what they thought about it but left before they came back.

The Ford Mach E. It was a really sleek looking vehicle up close.