Terpene Supplementation

BobCajun

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You know how terpenes are very volatile and therefore easily lost during extraction processes? Well, most of the important ones in Cannabis can be bought in pure form, like limonene and myrcene, probably the two most abundant. Could also get pinene but who really wants it? You could just add turpentine if you're a pinene fan. It's almost all pinene, just pinene doesn't smell that great, kind of like Pine Sol.

My point is that if you don't have to worry about preserving terpenes during extraction then you can heat the stuff up all you want, as long as it doesn't get to the point of darkening and smelling burny. You can buy a liter of limonene for about $20. No point going nuts worrying about preserving the part of extracts that's dirt cheap. By cooking off the naturally present terpene stew you would get rid of a lot of useless stuff too, and then replace all that with some pure myrcene and limonene. It would smell nice and yummy then. People would say it's some nice Lemon Skunk extract when really it started out as Cat Piss Weed extract.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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heat oxidizes and degrades trichome heads. So.its not just preserving the terps. heat can also degrade thc into cbn. but also convert thca to thc



But buying terps from say blue river extracts costs $100 for 10 drops. It's 1 drop per gram of rosin. You don't add terps to hash, only to rosin or bho.

you only want to buy terps that have been derived from cannabis.

blue river is Tony Vezura's company. I have had his terps before and they're
amazing.


It's more cost effective to run ac and keep the room cold rather than buy terps. even with bho you don't want the ambient temp over 70 F. with ice water hash 65 F at the highest.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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hyroot said:
heat oxidizes and degrades trichome heads. So.its not just preserving the terps. heat can also degrade thc into cbn. but also convert thca to thc



But buying terps from say blue river extracts costs $100 for 10 drops. It's 1 drop per gram of rosin. You don't add terps to hash, only to rosin or bho.

you only want to buy terps that have been derived from cannabis.

blue river is Tony Vezura's company. I have had his terps before and they're
amazing.


It's more cost effective to run ac and keep the room cold rather than buy terps. even with bho you don't want the ambient temp over 70 F. with ice water hash 65 F at the highest.
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What does it matter what plant it came from? Don't think I'll be paying $10 a drop for something that I can get a liter of for $20, but I commend them on a fine scam, acting like it's more valuable because it came from Cannabis instead of orange rinds, hops, etc. A compound is the same regardless of its source, as long as it's fairly pure.

About heating, I think it may actually be better to decarb the THCA to THC anyway. No way it all decarbs during smoking. It takes longer than a fraction of a second with a lighter to do that. Even just below the BP of THC it takes a good 7 minutes.
 
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SPLFreak808

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BobCajun said:
You know how terpenes are very volatile and therefore easily lost during extraction processes? Well, most of the important ones in Cannabis can be bought in pure form, like limonene and myrcene, probably the two most abundant. Could also get pinene but who really wants it? You could just add turpentine if you're a pinene fan. It's almost all pinene, just pinene doesn't smell that great, kind of like Pine Sol.

My point is that if you don't have to worry about preserving terpenes during extraction then you can heat the stuff up all you want, as long as it doesn't get to the point of darkening and smelling burny. You can buy a liter of limonene for about $20. No point going nuts worrying about preserving the part of extracts that's dirt cheap. By cooking off the naturally present terpene stew you would get rid of a lot of useless stuff too, and then replace all that with some pure myrcene and limonene. It would smell nice and yummy then. People would say it's some nice Lemon Skunk extract when really it started out as Cat Piss Weed extract.
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I guess it depends on the person. I dont really like the terp profile in lemon skunk even though its close to chem imo,however i feel pinene is what gives chemdawg that flavor smack. It's one of my fav "non-fruity" strains when it comes to taste.


Anyways, its good to know they can be bought. Whats giving gdp that sweet berry/grape taste though? Shit id smoke that by itself LOL
 
hyroot

hyroot

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BobCajun said:
What does it matter what plant it came from? Don't think I'll be paying $10 a drop for something that I can get a liter of for $20, but I commend them on a fine scam, acting like it's more valuable because it came from Cannabis instead of orange rinds, hops, etc. A compound is the same regardless of its source, as long as it's fairly pure.

About heating, I think it may actually be better to decarb the THCA to THC anyway. No way it all decarbs during smoking. It takes longer than a fraction of a second with a lighter to do that. Even just below the BP of THC it takes a good 7 minutes.
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How is that a scam? it's fractional distillation. All the equipment to do that properly is in a multi million dollar lab.

There's fifferent grades of terpenes. Over the counter top grade limonene derived from citrus costs a couple thousand dollars for a gallon.

1 drop is enough to add to 1 gram of rosin. 10 drops is equivilant to a gram. a gram of sift or rosin or icewax goes for $60-$150 a gram.

cost is based on overhead, labor and yield.

for my buddy who has a full extact lab. To blast a pound costs him about $300 a batch in overhead alone. That doesn't include labor
 
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BobCajun

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hyroot said:
How is that a scam? it's refractive distillation. All the equipment to do that properly is in a multi million dollar lab.

There's fifferent grades of terpenes. Over the counter top grade limonene derived from citrus costs a couple thousand dollars for a gallon.

1 drop is enough to add to 1 gram of rosin. 10 drops is equivilant to a gram. a gram of sift or rosin or icewax goes for $60-$150 a gram.

cost is based on overhead, labor and yield.

for my buddy who has a full extact lab. To blast a pound costs him about $300 a batch in overhead alone. That doesn't include labor
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Weird, because all it takes is simple steam distillation. You mix water with it and distill. The terpenes come over with the steam and the cannabinoids are left behind, possibly decarbing in the process, IDK. But okay, if that's a reasonable price then I guess it's not a scam. But then how pure do you need? No essential oil companies do more than steam distill, to my knowledge.
 
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Grow Goddess

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hyroot said:
heat oxidizes and degrades trichome heads. So.its not just preserving the terps. heat can also degrade thc into cbn. but also convert thca to thc



But buying terps from say blue river extracts costs $100 for 10 drops. It's 1 drop per gram of rosin. You don't add terps to hash, only to rosin or bho.

you only want to buy terps that have been derived from cannabis.

blue river is Tony Vezura's company. I have had his terps before and they're
amazing.


It's more cost effective to run ac and keep the room cold rather than buy terps. even with bho you don't want the ambient temp over 70 F. with ice water hash 65 F at the highest.
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I don't understand what you are saying here.
Why should it only be added back into Rosen or BHO? Why would you want to?

I am fully experienced with terpenes in my oil. All natural, from the cannabis, with no heat. If I was going to smoke BHO or Rosen there is no sense in adding terpenes because once you heat it the terpenes are ruined. You will not get the medicinal properties of the terpenes if you burn it. It needs to be ingested or used topically to receive the medicinal values of the terpenes.

I fully agree with you that there are no exceptions to using authentic cannabis terpenes.

Out of a pound what is the average quantity your friend gets when he does a terpene extract? I have not done it yet. If it is high quality, it is probably worth $10/drop.

I see it being most valuable for concentrates like RSO. With the right terpene profile it will change your THC for the better and the blood brain barrier and the medicinal effects will last much longer.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Grow Goddess said:
I don't understand what you are saying here.
Why should it only be added back into Rosen or BHO? Why would you want to?

I am fully experienced with terpenes in my oil. All natural, from the cannabis, with no heat. If I was going to smoke BHO or Rosen there is no sense in adding terpenes because once you heat it the terpenes are ruined. You will not get the medicinal properties of the terpenes if you burn it. It needs to be ingested or used topically to receive the medicinal values of the terpenes.

I fully agree with you that there are no exceptions to using authentic cannabis terpenes.

Out of a pound what is the average quantity your friend gets when he does a terpene extract? I have not done it yet. If it is high quality, it is probably worth $10/drop.

I see it being most valuable for concentrates like RSO. With the right terpene profile it will change your THC for the better and the blood brain barrier and the medicinal effects will last much longer.
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have you ever dabbed pure terps. I have. you don't lose anything. you don't want to add terps to dried hash or ice wax because it's a liquid. Rosin and bho is more waxy so it can contain the terp liquids without degradation.
 
BobCajun

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People just seemed to be concerned about terpenes so I figured give then some extra. It might also make it liquid enough to vape in a e-cigarette type vaporizer. Glycerol has a BP of 290 C, far above THC BP, but Cannabis terps have a BP only slightly above THC. Glycerol also doesn't have health benefits. Suppose you liquefied it with myrcene. You'd be facilitating e-cigarette use while also potentiating the THC.
 
Grow Goddess

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hyroot said:
have you ever dabbed pure terps. I have. you don't lose anything. you don't want to add terps to dried hash or ice wax because it's a liquid. Rosin and bho is more waxy so it can contain the terp liquids without degradation.
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Can't say that I have but I can say this. I have smoked and vaped oil that was fully loaded with the terpenes. I notice a difference with the taste but as for medicinal effects, many of the terpenes are destroyed after applying heat. Where you really notice the difference is when ingesting.

One example: I eat a 1/4 gram of oil that does not contain terpenes due to heat decarbing and I feel the buzz for 12 to 24 hours. Same strains and extract method, but naturally decarbed a 1/4 gram does and I am baked for up to 3 days.
That's what I know.

Edit: if the business is really extracting natural terpenes from cannabis, they should be reaching out to the people using RSO extract. Don't underestimate how much money is put into RSO across the globe.
 
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Grow Goddess

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BobCajun said:
People just seemed to be concerned about terpenes so I figured give then some extra. It might also make it liquid enough to vape in a cigarette type vaporizer.
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The natural terpenes do help a little but I still have to add a touch of PG/USP for the vape.
Adding extra essential oil I may be able to eliminate using the PG/USP. This rig can handle thicker oils.
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I just do a basic QWISO extract. No extra filtering, no heat. Simple fan evaporation.
 
BobCajun

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Grow Goddess said:
The natural terpenes do help a little but I still have to add a touch of PG/USP for the vape.
Adding extra essential oil I may be able to eliminate using the PG/USP. This rig can handle thicker oils.
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I just do a basic QWISO extract. No extra filtering, no heat. Simple fan evaporation.
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Glycerol has a BP, 290 C, far above THC's of 157 C. It's made for vaping nicotine, which has a BP of 247 C. Myrcene BP is 166 C, much closer. I don't know how harsh it would be though. Propylene glycol BP 188 C. Still higher than myrcene.
 
BobCajun

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I guess myrcene is too unstable, but could just choose an appropriate one, maybe limonene.

"Myrcene is an important intermediate used in the perfumery industry. It has a pleasant odor, but is rarely used directly. It is also unstable in air, tending to polymerize." Wiki

Maybe that's what makes some extracts turn crumbly after a few days. BTW, you know that $100 a gram Cannabis terpenes? Well usually the most abundant is myrcene. Look how cheap it is, $560 a gallon. That's about 4000 g. This bottle right here is worth $400,000. Nice profit margin huh? I think this may be the best one after all though. The msds from that site said 0 flammability and 0 reactivity, and LD 50 for mice 5000mg/kg, which is very high. Is it really non-flammable? I don't know, maybe a mistake on the msds.

 
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BobCajun

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R&RHashman said:
^fake terps. lots of companies making claims why not just extract the goodness of the plant?
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How does "100% pure and natural" indicate fake? Not that hard to get myrcene. It's the major terp in hops. Sure, it's nice if the terps come from Cannabis, but Cannabis is a lot more costly than hops at present. Same compound regardless what plant it came from.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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BobCajun said:
How does "100% pure and natural" indicate fake? Not that hard to get myrcene. It's the major terp in hops. Sure, it's nice if the terps come from Cannabis, but Cannabis is a lot more costly than hops at present. Same compound regardless what plant it came from.
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In the industry using terps that are not cannabis derived terps are considered fake. At cups there's been entries disqualified for using over the counter terps derived from citrus. You really don't know the grade. You don't know how pure and clean it really is without having tested. Look how many fertz and foods are labeled organic and in reality are from being organic.

Horatio does blast material with limonene that's over the counter. he gets the highest grade limonene which is very expensive.
 
Yodaweed

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The terp juice is so expensive, better off just trying to grow better weed and getting a cleaner extraction process. I know some people that use these ones they are way too much money for me...

http://trinityterpenes.com/shop
 
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BobCajun

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I actually don't care about the terps myself. I'm fine with extracts that have been heated until they got nice and thick. I'm even fine with pure THCA extract, which when smoked converts to pure THC. I found the high was very clean and strong. Unfortunately, you have to use a solvent in the process.
 
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