Tea ingredients

Dmannn said:

I have been hearing things about using honey in the home stretch of flower, IE the last 2-3 weeks, People have been talking about the added density and aroma. Can anyone chime in?

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Its funny you mention this.
I actually thought fuck it. Last grow, and tried honey during the last couple weeks.
Plants honestly seemed to like it.
However, it was processed honey. Not raw honey. So for all i know it was just the sugar hit.

Although effect seemed obvious enough, that im going to see if raw honey works just as well.

Raw honey is antibacterial. Yes.
But on the contrary raw honey was used to root cuttings for centuries.
So maybe it is good for the roots. At least the life in the soil. It must encourage the right life as well.
I figure its a worthwhile experiment to try.
Gonna give it a proper go.

Tim1987 said:

Its funny you mention this.
I actually thought fuck it. Last grow, and tried honey during the last couple weeks.
Plants honestly seemed to like it.
However, it was processed honey. Not raw honey. So for all i know it was just the sugar hit.

Although effect seemed obvious enough, that im going to see if raw honey works just as well.

Raw honey is antibacterial. Yes.
But on the contrary raw honey was used to root cuttings for centuries.
So maybe it is good for the roots. At least the life in the soil. It must encourage the right life as well.
I figure its a worthwhile experiment to try.
Gonna give it a proper go.

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Good to hear! I will be using the stuff below about 3 weeks out from harvest..

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LQZOZS/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?th=1

Dmannn said:

Good to hear! I will be using the stuff below about 3 weeks out from harvest..

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LQZOZS/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?th=1

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Great!

Please let me know, how it goes.

It could have been, all in my head. But im sure even the flowers had a "honey like" smell to them. Which they didnt before.
Very subtle. But it was there.
I started off with 1Tblsp in 10litres of water. After a week or so, i noticed how much they liked it. So started 2 Tblsp to 10litres. No worries mate. No ill effects at all.
Was about 3 times a week.
But it was coir. Soil might only be once or so.

Good luck Dmann.

Tim1987 said:

Great!

Please let me know, how it goes.

It could have been, all in my head. But im sure even the flowers had a "honey like" smell to them. Which they didnt before.
Very subtle. But it was there.
I started off with 1Tblsp in 10litres of water. After a week or so, i noticed how much they liked it. So started 2 Tblsp to 10litres. No worries mate. No ill effects at all.
Was about 3 times a week.
But it was coir. Soil might only be once or so.

Good luck Dmann.

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Sure thing man! Same to you!

mr jones15 said:

So I've been researching tea. At first I found people are saying compost tea has no affect on plants. Then I stumbled across a thread of people adding things like azomite, oats, molasses, humic acid, fish emulsion, etc. Does anybody have any experience with this? Can anybody tell me good ratios to use for making tea if they are actually useful?

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it has no effect because they are doing it wrong!

Russian bacteria really like to have air

and this is the area that screws the most

you need a larger air pump above 50 watts

something that can plug a 12mm(1/2 in hose) into

a stable temperature of the same as the target plant soil

and a great collection of the various bacteria on your site that you wanna breed

decide first if you are gonna go the bacteria or the fungal method

bacteria is easier but fungi tea shows best sooner

most important is you are feeding the soil

NOT the plant

The deal really is to incorporate this into your watering method

so the pump is on constant, the water is so clean and pure

the bacteria represents a good selection on your grow site

above all an LED microscope is essential

just so you can see what you do

good luck

Greenthumbs256 said:

I honestly don't measure molasses I just pour for about a second or so! It's really thick so I just make sure a big glob geta into the bucket!

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I don't think the excess is a problem other than it may attract ants if you start going crazy...
I was just trying to demonstrate that it is very small amount that is needed.

vostok said:

it has no effect because they are doing it wrong!

Russian bacteria really like to have air

and this is the area that screws the most

you need a larger air pump above 50 watts

something that can plug a 12mm(1/2 in hose) into

a stable temperature of the same as the target plant soil

and a great collection of the various bacteria on your site that you wanna breed

decide first if you are gonna go the bacteria or the fungal method

bacteria is easier but fungi tea shows best sooner

most important is you are feeding the soil

NOT the plant

The deal really is to incorporate this into your watering method

so the pump is on constant, the water is so clean and pure

the bacteria represents a good selection on your grow site

above all an LED microscope is essential

just so you can see what you do

good luck

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Yes if you want to make aerated tea you need a proper air pump... a little aquarium pump won't do.

Tim1987 said:

Its funny you mention this.
I actually thought fuck it. Last grow, and tried honey during the last couple weeks.
Plants honestly seemed to like it.
However, it was processed honey. Not raw honey. So for all i know it was just the sugar hit.

Although effect seemed obvious enough, that im going to see if raw honey works just as well.

Raw honey is antibacterial. Yes.
But on the contrary raw honey was used to root cuttings for centuries.
So maybe it is good for the roots. At least the life in the soil. It must encourage the right life as well.
I figure its a worthwhile experiment to try.
Gonna give it a proper go.

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It is not for the plants, the plants have no need for it... sugars are a waste product they piss out through their roots when all goes well and they are properly fed. As long as they have light and CO2, they can make all the sugar they want.

ANC said:

It is not for the plants, the plants have no need for it... sugars are a waste product they piss out through their roots when all goes well and they are properly fed. As long as they have light and CO2, they can make all the sugar they want.

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I agree.
But the microbes in the soil?
The microbes that help release enzymes to help the cutting take root.
Its protecting the cutting from infection, and feeding all the right microbes at the same time.
No different really to molasses.
It definitely did change the scent as well. I know this because ive grown the same seeds, multiple times before.

If its good for rooting a cutting.
Why not whole root balls as well?

Thats what i want to try, and see.
Raw honey has been used on open wounds too. Theres no way it could be anaerobic by nature. Otherwise it would rot the open wound.
I believe it'd be the same thing with rooting a cutting. Its keeping the bad guys out. While the heros are thriving.
The theory is there. So far proof in practice too.
But i need to try raw honey to confirm my hunch.

Honey is also anti microbial...

ANC said:

Honey is also anti microbial...

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Yes but which microbes?
There are many.........
Good ones?
Or bad ones?

There has to be a good reason its been used the way it has been.

And honey has a pleasant smell.

Even smells are microbial as well.

Its a worthwhile experiment to try imo.

meangreengrowinmachine said:

this!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/easy-aact-vortex-brewer.964878/

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Hey that's my brewer. It works super amazing. I just brewed a tea I made for 36 hours, and there was about 2" of foam at the top. Also for those of you guys needing to dechlorinate pr ger rid of chloramines in tap water. Vitamin C works amazingly well at this, while also lowering your PH. Takes less than 10 mins to neutralize the chlorine/chloramines.

Aolelon said:

Hey that's my brewer. It works super amazing. I just brewed a tea I made for 36 hours, and there was about 2" of foam at the top. Also for those of you guys needing to dechlorinate pr ger rid of chloramines in tap water. Vitamin C works amazingly well at this, while also lowering your PH. Takes less than 10 mins to neutralize the chlorine/chloramines.View attachment 4152578

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Would u mind explaining more on that? I honestly don't know if I have chloramines or regular chlorine, but my buddy down the road says our well is good water lol I always bubble my water for a day before using but I'd love to make sure its good!

Greenthumbs256 said:

Would u mind explaining more on that? I honestly don't know if I have chloramines or regular chlorine, but my buddy down the road says our well is good water lol I always bubble my water for a day before using but I'd love to make sure its good!

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Usually well water is okay. Chlorine and chloramines are put in municipal water sources to help keep bacteria at bay. A lot of places have been using chloramine (chlorine and ammonia) because it takes longer to evaporate out of water.
So if you have chloramines in your water. Setting it out for 24hrs isnt going to rid your water of it. It would take a couple days.
Vitamin C effectively neutralizes both Chlorine and chloramines in a matter of minutes (Asorbic acid)
They make shower heads with it in it and other things. You only need a small amount too. I think a couple mg will do a gallon of water. I crush up a 500mg pill and do 5 gal cause it brings my PH down as well. But u can order pure asorbic acid off the internet.
There is another type of acid that does it as well. I cant remember the name off the top of my head. It's also a vitamin. I'll have to look it up when I get home.
With you using well water I would think you should have no problems with chlorine/chloramines

Aolelon said:

Usually well water is okay. Chlorine and chloramines are put in municipal water sources to help keep bacteria at bay. A lot of places have been using chloramine (chlorine and ammonia) because it takes longer to evaporate out of water.
So if you have chloramines in your water. Setting it out for 24hrs isnt going to rid your water of it. It would take a couple days.
Vitamin C effectively neutralizes both Chlorine and chloramines in a matter of minutes (Asorbic acid)
They make shower heads with it in it and other things. You only need a small amount too. I think a couple mg will do a gallon of water. I crush up a 500mg pill and do 5 gal cause it brings my PH down as well. But u can order pure asorbic acid off the internet.
There is another type of acid that does it as well. I cant remember the name off the top of my head. It's also a vitamin. I'll have to look it up when I get home.
With you using well water I would think you should have no problems with chlorine/chloramines

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Thank you!

Aolelon said:

Usually well water is okay. Chlorine and chloramines are put in municipal water sources to help keep bacteria at bay. A lot of places have been using chloramine (chlorine and ammonia) because it takes longer to evaporate out of water.
So if you have chloramines in your water. Setting it out for 24hrs isnt going to rid your water of it. It would take a couple days.
Vitamin C effectively neutralizes both Chlorine and chloramines in a matter of minutes (Asorbic acid)
They make shower heads with it in it and other things. You only need a small amount too. I think a couple mg will do a gallon of water. I crush up a 500mg pill and do 5 gal cause it brings my PH down as well. But u can order pure asorbic acid off the internet.
There is another type of acid that does it as well. I cant remember the name off the top of my head. It's also a vitamin. I'll have to look it up when I get home.
With you using well water I would think you should have no problems with chlorine/chloramines

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Thanks!
This is new to me, too.
Makes sense.
Thanks again.

Tim1987 said:

Yes but which microbes?
There are many.........
Good ones?
Or bad ones?

There has to be a good reason its been used the way it has been.

And honey has a pleasant smell.

Even smells are microbial as well.

Its a worthwhile experiment to try imo.

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I am also under the impression that honey (especially, "natural or raw") may and will contain anti microbial properties. In antiquity, bodies have been embalmed in honey. Honey (dehydrated) generally has an unlimited shelf life because of this.

The use of the honey in the very last stage I feel, will be best served as a "sugar blast" for finish effect on the flower. Bud swell, smell, density, and burn aroma possibly. I don't feel like this is a "cheat" so long as the ingredient is natural. I wouldn't plan on using this at any other stage. Although, as others have mentioned the anti microbial part of the honey may or may not provide beneficials to root system as it has been used for clone cutting for some centuries now.

When the time comes, i will be using it fairly heavy, I do not plan on using it in a "AACT" or when "feeding" the plants as the application will be far too late for any effect. It will be administered in plain water, as I generally use plane water in the last 3 weeks or so once I have determined the plant has reached full flower. I do not feel that the plant will experience any negative effects even if the honey is antimicrobial in nature.

Many talk about "feeding soils not plants" I understand this to be true in vegetative growth of plants but, any botanist will tell you that many flowering plants will uptake a variety of different compounds during flower. From food coloring to heavy metals ect ect.

Quick question, I understand the reasoning for EWC in teas... however, I see tea recipes with every different ‘meal’ in them known to man. Can somebody explain the reasoning behind adding all these meals? In soil, I understand the reasons, but in teas I’m having troubles understanding why. Most of the minerals present in these meals are not water Soluable so I struggle to understand the reason these are used

Badfishy1 said:

Quick question, I understand the reasoning for EWC in teas... however, I see tea recipes with every different ‘meal’ in them known to man. Can somebody explain the reasoning behind adding all these meals? In soil, I understand the reasons, but in teas I’m having troubles understanding why. Most of the minerals present in these meals are not water Soluable so I struggle to understand the reason these are used

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Some of them are water soluble and also the microbes and fungi eat! When there is other amendments they have choices of what to eat! That's my take I may be wrong!

Badfishy1 said:

Quick question, I understand the reasoning for EWC in teas... however, I see tea recipes with every different ‘meal’ in them known to man. Can somebody explain the reasoning behind adding all these meals? In soil, I understand the reasons, but in teas I’m having troubles understanding why. Most of the minerals present in these meals are not water Soluable so I struggle to understand the reason these are used

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Someone can feel free to correct me here.
I've never made the teas myself.

But ive always used the analogy, "liquid mulch"

I think it'd be beneficial for indoors, and containers.

But if its earth. A good mulching will provide exactly the same thing.

AFAIK
The teas are just for a boost of beneficial bacteria.