Super soil recipe opinion

Hello, fist post but ill keep it short. I wanted some opinions on a soil recipe ive been working on. Still need to put it together and let it "cook" all amounts are for 1 CU.FT total of soil and weights are in grams.(edit): Just realized for the perlite, vermiculite, and lava rock, weight, and volume don't correspond and will convert to CU.FT and each respective dry quart. and also adding 2 teaspoons of great white mycorrhiza.

following, i know nothing im just here to learn and pretty sure ill learn alot here

Gwhiliker said:

following, i know nothing im just here to learn and pretty sure ill learn alot here

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Trust me I'm just getting into organics from bottle nutes and have way more time into this then I care to admit lol but once I get all the ingredients and let it sit ill update should take a month although from what i read the longer it "cooks" the better the soil. assuming one of the more experienced growers gives me the thumbs up or if I need to make changes.

Anyone?

Quarts and grams? Your recipe amounts are hard to follow.

youraveragehorticulturist said:

Quarts and grams? Your recipe amounts are hard to follow.

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Do you not understand the conversions? I did all the amendments in grams because I thought it would be easier and there is 28317 grams in 1 cubic foot (using water) as for the perlite verm and lava rock I converted cubic feet to dry quarts. If you think about it though The way these conversions work Its just like all of the big batch soil recipes that gets done in pounds and in cups of ingredients
If you look at the last lines on both tables is shows you how many cubic feet each table equals. So the first table that’s in grams with all the amendments equals .51 cu.ft and in the second table = .49 I also figured that showing the percentage of how much of each ingredient there is would help. Not to make this reply so long but really do want to create A recipe guideline for people who can’t go and buy or have the space to mix 200+ pounds of soil like a lot of these big batch soil recipes.

Keep it simple. Buy a bag of some good powdered organics that has a lot of that stuff in it already. Cheaper than buying 10 different boxes and mixing from scratch. especially if you're only mixing a cu/ft Cook 3-4 weeks, water only or with a tea made from the same nutes every 2 or 3 weeks, top dress if needed.

Hash Hound said:

Keep it simple. Buy a bag of some good powdered organics that has a lot of that stuff in it already. Cheaper than buying 10 different boxes and mixing from scratch. especially if you're only mixing a cu/ft Cook 3-4 weeks, water only or with a tea made from the same nutes every 2 or 3 weeks, top dress if needed.

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Gotcha any good powder organics you recommend?

You've got a lot of hot amendments in there. It can work for sure, but I've always found super soil to be basically a layman's attempt at organic growing and really much more complicated, risky, and time-consuming than just building and maintaining a true regenerative living soil. That being said, doing so does require considerably more root space than a super soil or Rev-style TLO container, so it's really about what works best for you and your circumstances.

Hawg Wild said:

You've got a lot of hot amendments in there. It can work for sure, but I've always found super soil to be basically a layman's attempt at organic growing and really much more complicated, risky, and time-consuming than just building and maintaining a true regenerative living soil. That being said, doing so does require considerably more root space than a super soil or Rev-style TLO container, so it's really about what works best for you and your circumstances.

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Yeah I definitely agree It’s more complicated then bottle nutes and at the end of the day I want to make a living soil and the recipe was gonna be my base but I guess I have some more reading to do, do you have any reference material I can go off of?

krizz878 said:

Yeah I definitely agree It’s more complicated then bottle nutes and at the end of the day I want to make a living soil and the recipe was gonna be my base but I guess I have some more reading to do, do you have any reference material I can go off of?

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Look up Clackamas Coot's soil mix and that's a good base starting point. The problem with starting a living soil off with a super soil mix is that some of the hotter amendments can be less than friendly to some of your microlife and get your NPK and PH unbalanced a lot more easily than starting off with only stuff that won't burn plants or drastically affect ph. There's good soil info on the Buildasoil and KIS Organics sites too, among others.

krizz878 said:

Gotcha any good powder organics you recommend?

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Here's a good one, but I use a variety of stuff anymore. Most from BAS.

Hawg Wild said:

Look up Clackamas Coot's soil mix and that's a good base starting point. The problem with starting a living soil off with a super soil mix is that some of the hotter amendments can be less than friendly to some of your microlife and get your NPK and PH unbalanced a lot more easily than starting off with only stuff that won't burn plants or drastically affect ph. There's good soil info on the Buildasoil and KIS Organics sites too, among others.

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Awesome, Thank you! I’m reading over the sites now.

PadawanWarrior said:

Here's a good one, but I use a variety of stuff anymore. Most from BAS.

BuildASoil Craft Blend - Nutrient Pack

BuildASoil Craft Blend started with a big workshop full of the best and cleanest soil amendments available. I quickly became spoiled and would use all of the BuildASoil ingredients together and in different combinations that aren't available here online. After discussing re-amending with a buddy...

buildasoil.com

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I’ll have to give a try thanks for the recommendation, much appreciated

PadawanWarrior said:

Here's a good one, but I use a variety of stuff anymore. Most from BAS.

BuildASoil Craft Blend - Nutrient Pack

BuildASoil Craft Blend started with a big workshop full of the best and cleanest soil amendments available. I quickly became spoiled and would use all of the BuildASoil ingredients together and in different combinations that aren't available here online. After discussing re-amending with a buddy...

buildasoil.com

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I use that stuff in my compost, as a topdress, throw in some when reamending or starting a new container, put a little in teas... all around quality stuff for a good price.

Hawg Wild said:

I use that stuff in my compost, as a topdress, throw in some when reamending or starting a new container, put a little in teas... all around quality stuff for a good price.

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Ya, that's a must have anymore for me. I have a shitload of BAS amendments now, but the Craft Blend is one of my favorites.

And here's one of my new favorites from BAS. I thank @Richard Drysift for turning me on to chicken shit. And this one has no smell which is nice. Just too bad they're out of stock at the moment.

PadawanWarrior said:

Ya, that's a must have anymore for me. I have a shitload of BAS amendments now, but the Craft Blend is one of my favorites.

And here's one of my new favorites from BAS. I thank @Richard Drysift for turning me on to chicken shit. And this one has no smell which is nice. Just too bad they're out of stock at the moment.

NutriGrow Organics Chicken Manure

NutriGrow Organic Chicken Manure is a all purpose pelleted chicken fertilizer from certified organic fed cage-free chickens right here in Colorado. FREE SHIPPING on select NutriGrow Organics Chicken Manure Low Odor All-Natural Slow-Release Fertilizer Cage-Free Chickens Weed Seed and Pathogen...

buildasoil.com

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Yeah I use the LOS V3 minerals and amendments for my soil mix, along with a few other things. I'm adding in Big 6 next round, mainly because I had reward points to spend and decided to try it out. Mostly I just water and add KNF inputs once it's going, but I'm going to try the Big 6 and Coot's new Gnarly Barley blend for topdressing. I grabbed a 30lb bucket of that. That Colorado Worm Company vermicompost they carry is the best stuff I've found for IPM (springtails and hypoapsis miles in every bag) and for starting worm bins too.

Hawg Wild said:

Yeah I use the LOS V3 minerals and amendments for my soil mix, along with a few other things. I'm adding in Big 6 next round, mainly because I had reward points to spend and decided to try it out. Mostly I just water and add KNF inputs once it's going, but I'm going to try the Big 6 and Coot's new Gnarly Barley blend for topdressing. I grabbed a 30lb bucket of that. That Colorado Worm Company vermicompost they carry is the best stuff I've found for IPM (springtails and hypoapsis miles in every bag) and for starting worm bins too.

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Hell ya. I always have that shit too. I keep some in a 3 gal bucket from Home Depot with some holes drilled in the lid for easy access. I keep the rest in the bag inside the box it came in and refill the bucket when I need to.

PadawanWarrior said:

Ya, that's a must have anymore for me. I have a shitload of BAS amendments now, but the Craft Blend is one of my favorites.

And here's one of my new favorites from BAS. I thank @Richard Drysift for turning me on to chicken shit. And this one has no smell which is nice. Just too bad they're out of stock at the moment.

NutriGrow Organics Chicken Manure

NutriGrow Organic Chicken Manure is a all purpose pelleted chicken fertilizer from certified organic fed cage-free chickens right here in Colorado. FREE SHIPPING on select NutriGrow Organics Chicken Manure Low Odor All-Natural Slow-Release Fertilizer Cage-Free Chickens Weed Seed and Pathogen...

buildasoil.com

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That looks really similar to the cheap chicken manure-based Jobe's 4-4-4 I use in my outdoor comfrey plot. It's like $7 for a 4lb bag I think.

Too much worm casting