Still confused...

Victus

Victus

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Okay. I've lurked and posted a few times and trolled a little and used the hell out of the search function.

I think I've got the majority of this figured out. However, I'm still confused by nutrients. There's so many options and all kinds of a's and b's and cal's and silicates.

I'm planning on doing a 4 pot DWC (not recirculating) with canna coco in a grow tent in my closet.
The questions I have are:
What nutes do I need to buy and why? (I'm not looking for a brand war. just information on what they do)
How much do I use or how do I determine how much to use?
How often do I need to add more or change the water?

That's pretty much it.
Thanks in advance.
 
Well ive used General hydroponics and they seem to work great. I am really wanting to try general organics just because im slowly working my way to an all organic garden, with veggies fruits and cannabis. What i would do is find out the 5 or so major nutrients, that most hydro growers use put em in a hat and draw one out and buy the whole line lol. Personally i would go for what you can afford. As far as how much to use the bottles will tell you, i would go a little less than what they say and then work up to full strength. The water needs to be changed IMHO no later that 10 days from date of use.
 
I'm not trying to understand which nutrients to buy. I can follow directions easily. I'm trying to figure out how they work. Understanding the science behind them will lead me to choose the right products. but I will look into GH. I'm also looking at canna and botanicare.
 
What exactly is a non recirculating DWC? That's kind of a contradiction in terms tbh...and you wanna use Coco as your medium...all sounds a bit messy for a first grow.

Also the nutrient websites will show you how much to use.

Alot of the questions you asked are easily answerable with Google in 2-5 seconds.

Don't believe all the nutrient bullshit tho,you need a complete plant food like Dynagrow or Canna and thats it. No potions,root enhancers,similar $$$$ bullshit.

And IMO small scale hydroponics is kinda pointless,labour intensive and doesn't really give much of an advantage over soil.
 
I 2nd DynaGrow...My plants love it, it's cheap, concentrated, and has essential micronutrients already in the mix...Not to sound like a salesman or anything, but I'm not into having to buy base nutes and then several additional different supplemental nutes.
 
Metasynth said:
I 2nd DynaGrow...My plants love it, it's cheap, concentrated, and has essential micronutrients already in the mix...Not to sound like a salesman or anything, but I'm not into having to buy base nutes and then several additional different supplemental nutes.
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Your plants love it cos it's everything they need for food with no receipeless bullshit additives. I used to be mad for all the add this and add that,but my plants seem to be healthier with my new "less is more" approach.
 
I like that it's so concentrated...You buy a bottle of this stuf and you won't feel like you're pouring money down the drain every time you feed, you add like a teaspoon or 2 per gallon and you're good to go. Concentrated nutes save money and time.
 
Harrekin said:
What exactly is a non recirculating DWC? That's kind of a contradiction in terms tbh...
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it's 4 pots that aren't connected to each other or a reservoir inside a tent.

and you wanna use Coco as your medium...all sounds a bit messy for a first grow.
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I always start in hard mode. I learn faster that way. I'm weird like that.

Also the nutrient websites will show you how much to use.
Alot of the questions you asked are easily answerable with Google in 2-5 seconds.
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then my google-fu is failing me. I'm trying to figure out exactly what things beyond basic plant food do. If they weren't effective their wouldn't be a market for them.
 
Harrekin said:
Don't believe all the nutrient bullshit tho,you need a complete plant food like Dynagrow or Canna and thats it. No potions,root enhancers,similar $$$$ bullshit.
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So basically I just need the canna A+B?
It's only small scale because I'm learning the process. I have plans for a 16 plant 2 week SOG rotation once I've got it all down and I'll use my current setup for mothers. half Ice and half Black Widow unless I can find a strain of weed that is a pretty blue color.
 
So you've four seperate buckets with airstones in them? That is recirculating, the other option is drain to waste which doesnt work with DWC, cos it just doesnt make sense. Where exactly does the Coco go in this setup? And why Coco? In DWC your only using the medium as something to suspend the plant above the water, why not just use Rockwool or Clay Pebbles?

You should probably try soil first man, I think your trying to run before you walk. Have you a proper pH tester and pH up/down?
 
Harrekin said:
So you've four seperate buckets with airstones in them? That is recirculating, the other option is drain to waste which doesnt work with DWC, cos it just doesnt make sense. Where exactly does the Coco go in this setup? And why Coco? In DWC your only using the medium as something to suspend the plant above the water, why not just use Rockwool or Clay Pebbles?

You should probably try soil first man, I think your trying to run before you walk. Have you a proper pH tester and pH up/down?
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coco because of chelation and the way it holds calcium and soil is not an option for my grow.
4 of these there is no circulation. Even with the movement of air, it's not a closed system so it doesn't fit the definition.
and I don't actually have anything yet. I do plan on having the necessary tools before I start though. probably a hanna or truncheon. and my local hydro shop has ph u/d.

it's not that I haven't googled, it's that I'm looking for very specific answers without really knowing how to phrase the question.
I'm trying to understand the interaction between the plants and the nutrients at different stages of growth. I'm pretty sure if I got all my stuff together and started growing, I would be successful. I'm not a "good enough" kind of guy.
 
You realise the recirculating part is purely related to the nutrient solution,not to the overall system. How does your planned system work? Cos at the moment (no offense) but nothing your saying makes any sense...why do you need Coco in DWC? It doesn't make sense, DWC is a plant just suspended in water...the Coco is pointless unless you're always top feeding,in which case its not DWC.

I'd seriously recommend some more research,you sound eager but lacking in some basics.
 
Pravius said:
I think I know exactly what you mean... maybe... we think very much alike and I learn the same way your describing:

http://www.cannabis-seed-banks.com/cannabis-nutrients.html
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That is a fantastic page. That helps a lot. Thanks.

Harrekin said:
You realise the recirculating part is purely related to the nutrient solution,not to the overall system. How does your planned system work? Cos at the moment (no offense) but nothing your saying makes any sense...why do you need Coco in DWC? It doesn't make sense, DWC is a plant just suspended in water...the Coco is pointless unless you're always top feeding,in which case its not DWC.

I'd seriously recommend some more research,you sound eager but lacking in some basics.
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the nutrient solution goes into the bucket of water which is then moved around and aerated by the airstone. The airstone is the only thing that qualifies as something that circulates by passing air from one place to another.

http://hugeharvest.com/Product.aspx?ProdID=1 <- this.
 
Thats a recirculating DWC system...semantics dont matter, its still a "closed" non-drain to waste system. Coco is gonna be a pain in the ass in that, clay pebbles would work much better. The Coco WILL get into the nutrient solution and to be honest, Coco is unnecessary in that system.

Your roots are suspended in the water, they dont have (or need) a medium like Coco in their pots, just something to keep them "in place".

If you wanna go with Canna, you need Aqua Vega and Flores, not Hydro (cos you have a recirculating system and its for drain to waste).
 
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